Too much ice

[Sandman 423]

Ok, so the conservative position is that the government is supposed to override individual autonomy to prevent death and do so with a level of service that is better than 99.984% effective.

I have a feeling you guys might have felt differently about these types of things… oh say five years ago.

I don’t know that I am exactly a conservative, but I think it wise to consider the potential outcome of changing existing policies before enacting them.

What happened 5 years ago that I may see differently?

 

[appvol]

 

[Rickyvol77]

Ok, so the conservative position is that the government is supposed to override individual autonomy to prevent death and do so with a level of service that is better than 99.984% effective.

I have a feeling you guys might have felt differently about these types of things… oh say five years ago.

No i fully have always supported using whatever means necessary to keep people from dying in the streets to cold, even it means locking them up a night in jail, especially since they are breaking the laws anyway

 

[RockyTop85]

I don’t know that I am exactly a conservative, but I think it wise to consider the potential outcome of changing existing policies before enacting them.

What happened 5 years ago that I may see differently?

Joe Biden attempted to create a vaccine mandate.

 

[RockyTop85]

No i fully have always supported using whatever means necessary to keep people from dying in the streets to cold, even it means locking them up a night in jail, especially since they are breaking the laws anyway

Never go full @volgr

 

[Sandman 423]

Joe Biden attempted to create a vaccine mandate.

so anyone that didn't want to take a vaccine was mentally ill?

Just fyi, I took the J&J about a week before they pulled it for possible blood clots.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Never go full @volgr

Don't know what this means, but whatever excuses you have for both Dem and Rep mayors handling this issue in NYC fine for 30 years, but the new leftist mayor screws it up in one week.

Of course he also went to visit and apologize to a crazy guy who got shot trying to stab police officers, so he really is a gift for political examples for midterms for sure.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Joe Biden attempted to create a vaccine mandate.

This has nothing to do with homeless people dying in the cold, and is not even comparable

 

[hog88]

No i fully have always supported using whatever means necessary to keep people from dying in the streets to cold, even it means locking them up a night in jail, especially since they are breaking the laws anyway

So it’s illegal to sleep outside in the cold?

 

[Majors]

So you need a resume to protest? To show 4 + years of experience. How’s the $4200 taxed while being an agitator at a tax the rich protest?

 

[Rickyvol77]

So it’s illegal to sleep outside in the cold?

No it's illegal to have drugs, be intoxicated, be drunk, open container, trepassing, etc.

If they weren't breaking any laws, they were taken to a hospital or shelter

 

[hog88]

No it's illegal to have drugs, be intoxicated, be drunk, open container, trepassing, etc.

If they weren't breaking any laws, they were taken to a hospital or shelter

I have a problem with the police rounding people up “for their own safety”.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I have a problem with the police rounding people up “for their own safety”.

Take it up with NYPD, but for all their faults with that dept (which there are many), having millions of people and only having 15-16 die in weather related incidents in a YEAR on average is a pretty good number, in fact better numbers than Knoxville honestly

 

[InVOLuntary]

He is the first mayor in 20 years to not have police sweep up the homeless to keep them out of snowstorms. Thus more died this one storm than in an entire year in NYC in a decade

It's ok though unless they're undocumented, then it's a problem.

 

[NashVol11]

Zero of the people who died were in encampments. Is Israel the reason you lie about Zohran too?

 

[NashVol11]

Wow. You actually trust some Uber driver to bring you food?

That special mayonnaise sauce on his sandwich is a secret recipe.

The whole idea of uber eats/grub hub is wild to me.

You guys are afraid of food delivery too? Sad

 

[RockyTop85]

so anyone that didn't want to take a vaccine was mentally ill?

Just fyi, I took the J&J about a week before they pulled it for possible blood clots.

You don’t have to be anti-vaccine (I strongly was not) to be anti-mandate (I was).

It’s a question of whether it is the government’s responsibility to override individual autonomy to prevent the effects of bad decisionmaking and, if so, what level of service is it reasonable for the rest of society to provide to those who are unwilling/unable to help themselves.

 

[GroverCleveland]

When was that, 1963?

It seemed still relevant into the early 2000s.

 

[GroverCleveland]

If they are they need to have their asses thrown in the hoosegow

You are awarded +2 points for proper use of the word hoosegow.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Why are protesters setting up checkpoints in Minneapolis?

MN Morans: "Yes, we're checking for ICE agents, don't recognize you and need for you to identify yourself."

Me: "Would you like to get shot?"

MN Morans: "Have a good day, sir!"

 

[NashVol11]

He is the first mayor in 20 years to not have police sweep up the homeless to keep them out of snowstorms. Thus more died this one storm than in an entire year in NYC in a decade

His decisions directly led to people dying, to which other mayors didn't allow like that

Making things up. Sweeping encampments had nothing to do with this and involuntary removal continued anyway

Mamdani said he has continued a policy of “involuntary removal” that advocates say can violate people’s basic rights if used too broadly, but that proponents say is essential for protecting people who are in danger. He said police and emergency workers took 18 people to hospitals for mental health treatment against their will over the past week.

“That policy continues as it was under the previous administration,” he said. “Some examples are if a New Yorker is seen not adequately clothed in this kind of winter, if a New Yorker's behavior is that which is threatening to others around them.”

But he said forcible removal is a “last resort” as outreach workers and city officials attempt to encourage street homeless New Yorkers to move into shelter units with fewer restrictions.

Dave Giffen, head of the Coalition for the Homeless, said he agreed with Mamdani’s approach so far. He said involuntary removal was at times necessary but that call for sweeps is an “opportunistic misframing of a terrible tragedy to try to get the administration to try failed approaches of the past.”

 

[GroverCleveland]

That’s hilarious, 61 years old and never heard that word.

Interesting. Growing up in south Georgia it was not an uncommon word among older generations. That is where I heard it.

 

[NashVol11]

Changing policy to Let mentally ill people exercise "personal responsibility" to stay on the streets in sub zero weather may not have been a wise decision.

Nor is that a thing that happened

 

[RockyTop85]

This has nothing to do with homeless people dying in the cold, and is not even comparable

It’s interesting that you think you can have an opinion that matters without being able to understand how these things are comparable.

 

[Sandman 423]

You don’t have to be anti-vaccine (I strongly was not) to be anti-mandate (I was).

It’s a question of whether it is the government’s responsibility to override individual autonomy to prevent the effects of bad decisionmaking and, if so, what level of service is it reasonable for the rest of society to provide to those who are unwilling/unable to help themselves.

Isn't what the gov does when someone is mentally ill? This has nothing to do with madates.