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Orange_Crush said:
If you're accusing "the right" of being for law and order, and standing against anarchist violence, then... is it really an accusation?
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I’m just trying to understand the rights typical stance on armed federal guards being used against US citizens against the support of ICE. At best this should be a local law enforcement issue if required protest permits are not there or if it turns violent. Using ICE to raid homes and control protest crowds should be concerning, and it is a 100% certainty if a Dem administration was doing this outlets like Foxnews would be all over it. Now there is talk of possible troops?

I don’t care if it is Waco or Minnesota, I don’t agree with it on principle.
 
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Re the protestors at the church and Bondi, et al, threatening prosecutions, I'm trying to understand what law the protestors would have broken. Anyone got any sense of what that is about?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, there are literal videos of ICE agents shooting pepper balls, point blank, into the faces of people standing on public sidewalks, and you want to throw out nonsense about "burning and stealing violence?
www.yahoo.com

Video Shows Feds Shooting ICE Protester With Nonlethal Round at Point-Blank Range, Blinding Him in One Eye

The incident raises more questions about federal agents' use-of-force policies and training.
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I know I shouldn't be, but I'm truly amazed at how much you "1a/2a warriors" just go out of your way to bootlick in these scenarios. Then again, it feeds the narrative that you sold yourself, that immigrants are the cause of all of your ills.

One has to wonder who you will blame next if you run out of immigrants.
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Obama, Hillary, Biden and others said the exact same thing about immigrants prior to 2016.

Obama gave Tom Homan an award for deporting many more illegals with ICE than he currently is
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
What would either side campaign on if they fixed/simplified legal immigration

We now have Trump , who won the popular vote in no small part , because of the massive failure by the previous administration on illegal immigration.

What do we not see in this massive swing from no enforcement to massive publicity on enforcement?


Hit: any sort of system reform at all.
It’s not even being talked about
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Also a large part of the Trump win was the left going full on bat**** crazy with woke nonsense and cancel culture.

I’m so over both parties at this point. Stupidity abound. It’s stupidity with wings.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again, you refuse to answer the question why? I suspect because you know the answer to why every Dem politician and Blue city was pro-ICE enforcement until about 2016

For example, Tennessee has had 40,000 illegal criminals arrested and deported by ICE, Minnesota has had about 10,000 at this point.

Why is Minnesota and their officials the only state where ICE is a serious issue?
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Mr Ukraine ducks and dodges with the ability of the OBGYN "expert" the democrats brought in about reproductive rights.

Summary discussion.

Josh Hawley - "Can men have babies?"

Democrat drone - "I feel as though you're trying to make this political".

Josh Hawley - "So you won't answer."
 
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rjd970 said:
I’m just trying to understand the rights typical stance on armed federal guards being used against US citizens against the support of ICE. At best this should be a local law enforcement issue if required protest permits are not there or if it turns violent. Using ICE to raid homes and control protest crowds should be concerning, and it is a 100% certainty if a Dem administration was doing this outlets like Foxnews would be all over it. Now there is talk of possible troops?

I don’t care if it is Waco or Minnesota, I don’t agree with it on principle.
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I don't give a rat's *** what Fox news may hypothetically say.

If protestors cross the line to preventing federal agents from implementing federal law enforcement, assaulting federal agents, destroy private property, and terrorize innocent people--and especially if local law enforcement refuse to help while the state/city leaders claim to be at war with the federal government...

Accusing people of being for law and order isn't an accusation.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Mr Ukraine ducks and dodges with the ability of the OBGYN "expert" the democrats brought in about reproductive rights.

Summary discussion.

Josh Hawley - "Can men have babies?"

Democrat drone - "I feel as though you're trying to make this political".

Josh Hawley - "So you won't answer."
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frankly, it is incredible
 
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rjd970 said:
Me either, but hypocrisy is rank on both sides of the aisle. Certain things matter or don’t matter depending on which party is or is not in the executive office or controls Congress. It’s blatant tribalism that takes the day, not consistency.
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I was not against the FBI or ATF trying to arrest Koresh. Koresh was an insane pedophile who was stockpiling arms against federal law.

I took issue with the FBI burning the house down around women and children.

If you "just want to understand", ask a few more questions and stop listing disparate examples as though we should see them as synonyms.
 
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FortSanders said:
Neither state nor local governments, nor the officials within those jurisdictions, have the right to nullify federal laws. That is what Minnesota is doing right now.
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It's what happens when you get too many foreigners in an area, it's run by kooks and freaks, and the state is under serious investigation for fraud, and funneling money through NGOs back to leftist policial causes.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Re the protestors at the church and Bondi, et al, threatening prosecutions, I'm trying to understand what law the protestors would have broken. Anyone got any sense of what that is about?
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Social etiquette? Certain lines you don't cross and this was one of them.

Other than trespassing, not sure what else can be thrown at them.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I was not against the FBI or ATF trying to arrest Koresh. Koresh was an insane pedophile who was stockpiling arms against federal law.

I took issue with the FBI burning the house down around women and children.

If you "just want to understand", ask a few more questions and stop listing disparate examples as though we should see them as synonyms.
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Agree with the Waco thing. I see it the same way as you.

But I had a debate on here (probably years ago) and brought up the exact same things with Waco. The arguments I got back were the pedophlia stuff didn’t matter as much as the government overreach. Now I’m seeing government overreach as okay and pedophile stuff being thrown around as somewhat justification. So yes, in my experience on this board Waco is somewhat similar, but now the arguments seem to align with what I was arguing before.

I don’t particularly care either way, but I am going to call out the hypocrisy.
 
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rjd970 said:
Agree with the Waco thing. I see it the same way as you.

But I had a debate on here (probably years ago) and brought up the exact same things with Waco. The arguments I got back were the pedophlia stuff didn’t matter as much as the government overreach. Now I’m seeing government overreach as okay and pedophile stuff being thrown around as somewhat justification. So yes, in my experience on this board Waco is somewhat similar, but now the arguments seem to align with what I was arguing before.

I don’t particularly care either way, but I am going to call out the hypocrisy.
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If you choose to see conservatives on the board as a broad-brush group, you're free to do so.

You're also smuggling in the concept of what "gov't overreach" is. We could sharpen our pencils and discuss that with a bit more precision, but not if you just want to throw out "gotchas" because nameless people said something about different things years ago. <eyeroll> It's not the best audition for someone's time.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Minnesota isn't even in the top 10 when it comes to the undocumented.

Your anecdotal experience of living in a sparsely populated area, has no bearing on that reality.
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Does it matter? If you take 100,000 alligators out of a swamp and there’s still 19 million more out swimming in other swamps. You still reduced the number overall.

Like the great philosopher James David Vance once said, “you don’t eat a whole elephant at once, you eat it one bite at a time”
 
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