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tim said:
lol. We had W. Bush, Obama, and Biden…. Diplomacy? We’re living out the long term ramifications from them.
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Exactly, and there's absolutely no way you can argue that this administration isn't making it exponentially worse.

Just form an argument without this weak ass whataboutism. It's so ****ing tiresome.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Exactly, and there's absolutely no way you can argue that this administration isn't making it exponentially worse.

Just form an argument without this weak ass whataboutism. It's so ****ing tiresome.
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It’s not whataboutism, they created Trump. It’s not making it worse, it’s the pendulum swinging back too rapidly. His methods suck but his ideas are good. Imperfect but I’ll take it over great messengers terrible ideas.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Exactly, and there's absolutely no way you can argue that this administration isn't making it exponentially worse.

Just form an argument without this weak ass whataboutism. It's so ****ing tiresome.
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I’d say liberal ran cites/states are making it exponentially worse. We can agree to disagree. Not seeing the conservative states with the same circus in the streets.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yeah, @85SugarVol. The conclusion from the lefties...

Unarmed 140# female Trump supporter = good shoot.

Left wing rioter lunging at a cop with a 4000# SUV = murder.
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Eh, they were both playing stupid games.
And they both got shot by jumpy effin cops.

PSA - Stay away from jumpy effin cops.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
From the founders. I linked to an article yesterday that quotes both Mussolini and Gentile's collectivist underpinning of the idealogy, and blatant refutation of any capitalist associations. Mussolini left the Socialist party and established fascism as a nationalistic version of replacement for his contemporary socialism.

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There's No Denying the Socialist Roots of Fascism

The father of fascism himself literally said it. “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.”
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Edit: I'll add that I have no clue how anyone seriously pawned Fascism as a Right-wing ideology:



So, the right is generally known as anti-collectivist, prioritizing individual rights via limited government over the needs of society. Fascism was a collectivist/socialist philosophy that crushed personal human rights in favor of the authority and needs of the gov't/society. So it was obviously a far-right ideology.
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I think you're way out over your skis there. Ponder this: Mussolini rejected actual Socialism.
 
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tim said:
It’s not whataboutism, they created Trump. It’s not making it worse, it’s the pendulum swinging back too rapidly. His methods suck but his ideas are good. Imperfect but I’ll take it over great messengers terrible ideas.
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Trump doesn't suck. It's the pendulum.

You may have the worst case of TDS that I have seen.
 
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EasternVol said:
I think you're way out over your skis there. Ponder this: Mussolini rejected actual Socialism.
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Ponder this: Mussolini rejected international socialism in favor of nationalist socialism--i.e. Fascism. In his own words. As well as the words of Gentile, its philosophical creator. I've posted their quotes--literally calling their movement leftist and assuring that, just because they were fighting against the Communists, don't misinterpret that to mean that he didn't consider the capitalists the greater enemy.


In fact, in 1943, Benito Mussolini promoted the “socialization of the economy,” also known as fascist socialization; for this process Mussolini sought the advice of the founder of the Italian Communist Party, Nicola Bombacci; the communist was the main intellectual author of the “Verona Manifesto,” the historical declaration with which fascism promoted this process of economic “socialization” to deepen anti-capitalism and autarchism, and in which Italy became known as the “Italian Social Republic.”
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Again: He said himself that a rejection of certain implementations of socialism should not be considered a rejection of socialism, and that--again--Capitalists were the greatest enemy.


“Our programs are definitely equal to our revolutionary ideas and they belong to what in democratic regime is called “left”; our institutions are a direct result of our programs and our ideal is the Labor State. In this case there can be no doubt: we are the working class in struggle for life and death, against capitalism. We are the revolutionaries in search of a new order. If this is so, to invoke help from the bourgeoisie by waving the red peril (Communism) is an absurdity. The real scarecrow, the real danger, the threat against which we fight relentlessly, comes from the right. It is not at all in our interest to have the capitalist bourgeoisie as an ally against the threat of the red peril (Communism), even at best it would be an unfaithful ally, which is trying to make us serve its ends, as it has done more than once with some success. I will spare words as it is totally superfluous. In fact, it is harmful, because it makes us confuse the types of genuine revolutionaries of whatever hue, with the man of reaction who sometimes uses our very language.”
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OHvol40 said:
More specifically, a problem caused by ice being masked and purposefully concealing their identities. What is to stop regular citizens from grabbing tactical gear, stitching “ICE” across the front, and conducting themselves however they want (kidnapping people, beating people, shooting people) since this administration is clearly trying to give ice carte blanche. How are people supposed to differentiate the two?
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I get the point but that happens to marginalized and exploited people in America today and 20 years ago.

For instance in the area I grew up in South Nashville it was known people would imitate police officers and detectives and pull over or stop Hispanic people and rob them because they know they carried their cashed checks in bills every Friday/Saturday.

Parse it any way you want but those people are being exploited, in multiple ways starting with our government all the way down to local criminals who prey upon them.

And that's part of the real need for responsible immigration policy. Which we've lacked for the better part of 30 years now.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:

This is from last year, and reports are out there that approx 100 officers have either quit or moved to other agencies including ICE, and another 1/3 are about to take that idiotic paid leave that Walz just passed
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Minnesota has 100-120,000 undocumented immigrants.

Texas has 1.7-2 million undocumented immigrants.

Florida has 1.6-1.9 million undocumented immigrants.

But sure, let's send ICE agents door to door in Minnesota.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Minnesota has 100-120,000 undocumented immigrants.

Texas has 1.7-2 million undocumented immigrants.

Florida has 1.6-1.9 million undocumented immigrants.

But sure, let's send ICE agents door to door in Minnesota.
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States and cities which declared themselves sanctuaries, put a target on their back with the federal government and the roughshod approach of the president.
 
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