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luthervol said:
good luck getting that info from @Rickyvol77

He made some horrible accusations about the woman's character and is now running from it.
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For the record you post your opinion about Trump's character all the time without substance. Not saying you are right or wrong. Just saying you do it unabashedly. You will need plenty of grace someday the way you pass judgement on others.
 
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NashVol11 said:
We know her intent wasn't to run him over, her wheels were pointed away from him.
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Her intent is not relevant. Telepathy isn't real. Like I said earlier, I'm not sure she ever saw the guy in front of her car. Her focus may well have been on the two agents trying to drag her out. The issue is his response to events happening within just a few seconds. Trying to make this about what she was trying to do is a fool's errand.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Of course

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For starters it's a Fed operation in a non-compliant city. They are not obligated to "work jointly" in any instance. It's normally a courtesy to local LE, but since Minneaplois is an anti city, and following the mayors dangerous rhetoric, that courtesy is likely and understandably not extended.
 
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GVF said:
For starters it's a Fed operation in a non-compliant city. They are not obligated to "work jointly" in any instance. It's normally a courtesy to local LE, but since Minneaplois is an anti city, and following the mayors dangerous rhetoric, that courtesy is likely and understandably not extended.
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Not to mention, the local sheriff stated in no terms would they assist the feds in any operations or protection let alone handing over illegal criminals.

To think the FBI/ICE/DOJ would allow these idiots to access evidence and crime scene let alone the investigation itself is hilarious
 
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bamawriter said:
Her intent is not relevant. Telepathy isn't real. Like I said earlier, I'm not sure she ever saw the guy in front of her car. Her focus may well have been on the two agents trying to drag her out. The issue is his response to events happening within just a few seconds. Trying to make this about what she was trying to do is a fool's errand.
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You and Ricky are more than welcome to argue about this as a court case, but not everyone has to. It's pretty relevant to the general discussion of what happened that she was clearly not trying or intending to run him over
 
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Like, is he going to be found guilty of something? No idea, probably not; "beyond a reasonable doubt" is a high standard, this is based on state of mind which is hard to prove, and LEOs are rarely held accountable anyway. I don't think "guilty vs. not guilty in court" is what most people are talking about
 
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NashVol11 said:
Like, is he going to be found guilty of something? No idea, probably not; "beyond a reasonable doubt" is a high standard, this is based on state of mind which is hard to prove, and LEOs are rarely held accountable anyway. I don't think "guilty vs. not guilty in court" is what most people are talking about
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What people should be asking is why was she at that exact spot, at that exact moment, wrecklessly putting herself in that situation to begin with.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You and Ricky are more than welcome to argue about this as a court case, but not everyone has to. It's pretty relevant to the general discussion of what happened that she was clearly not trying or intending to run him over
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Sell that to the agent and we're all good.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You and Ricky are more than welcome to argue about this as a court case, but not everyone has to. It's pretty relevant to the general discussion of what happened that she was clearly not trying or intending to run him over
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Okay. I'll put legalities aside:

I haven't questioned her intent. I have no reason to believe that she even knew he was there, let alone that she tried to hit him. What then? If she had run him over completely by accident, would her lack of intent prevent his bones from breaking?
 
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GVF said:
For starters it's a Fed operation in a non-compliant city. They are not obligated to "work jointly" in any instance. It's normally a courtesy to local LE, but since Minneaplois is an anti city, and following the mayors dangerous rhetoric, that courtesy is likely and understandably not extended.
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Let me get this straight. ICE was there because the state/city refuses to partner with the feds on enforcing immigration law. Now, they're publicly crying because the feds won't partner with them?
 
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GVF said:
For starters it's a Fed operation in a non-compliant city. They are not obligated to "work jointly" in any instance. It's normally a courtesy to local LE, but since Minneaplois is an anti city, and following the mayors dangerous rhetoric, that courtesy is likely and understandably not extended.
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It's like he hasn't seen Die Hard or something.
 
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GVF said:
What people should be asking is why was she at that exact spot, at that exact moment, wrecklessly putting herself in that situation to begin with.
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A stay at home mother of 3 who moved to the twin cities less than a year ago….
 
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bamawriter said:
Okay. I'll put legalities aside:

I haven't questioned her intent. I have no reason to believe that she even knew he was there, let alone that she tried to hit him. What then? If she had run him over completely by accident, would her lack of intent prevent his bones from breaking?
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My post about intent was in response to luther saying the guy wasn't going to get run over, and SpaceCoast calling that idiotic because "you don't know what her intent was." I think it's pretty obvious that her intent wasn't to run him over.

You're raising a different discussion about "what then" if she "ran over" him unintentionally, and given the posts I was responding to, I'm not sure why. He seemed like he got grazed, not really "run over" and without any indication of broken bones or injury. I mentioned her intent (IMO) because someone else specifically mentioned intent, but saying "what if she ran him over" in response to luther saying she wasn't going to run him over seems to be rejecting the discussion entirely.
 
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Protesters have a right to stand on the sidelines & yell but don't interfere w/agents. I'm sure Minnesota is full of left leaning radical moronic Judges & will let them go.
 
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GVF said:
Extremely valid question. The answer to which would she would have never put her life at risk had she not been where she shouldn’t be.
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And if the passengers killed on 9/11 hadn't boarded the plane, their lives wouldn't be at risk either. Both narratives ignore the giant fatal thing that happened in between
 
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Wireless1 said:
A stay at home mother of 3 who moved to the twin cities less than a year ago….
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She moved to the middle of that street living in a vehicle tha happened to be impeding federal LE?? Oh you mean Minneapolis in general. My bad.
 
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NashVol11 said:
And if the passengers killed on 9/11 hadn't boarded the plane, their lives wouldn't be at risk either. Both narratives ignore the giant fatal thing that happened in between
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In this case that giant fatal thing is she struck an officer with her vehicle.
 
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