Too much ice

[GVF]

Does being non-compliant merit being shot?

When you're fixing to level an officer with your car? Odds are in the officers favor.

 

[NashVol11]

As YOU see it doesn't matter, the officer (who had almost been killed in similar situation previously) made a split second decision, and the law is on his side.

I do believe he absolutely thought after the bumper hit him that he may be seriously injured or killed, which is why the first shot went straight thru the windshield in a straight line to her face

Shooting her in the face wouldn't necessarily keep him from being killed, she kept accelerating in the direction her wheels were pointed after she was shot. What would keep him from being killed was stepping out of the way, which he did

 

[Rickyvol77]

Shooting her in the face wouldn't necessarily keep him from being killed, she kept accelerating in the direction her wheels were pointed after she was shot. What would keep him from being killed was stepping out of the way, which he did

Seems like it worked pretty well for him

 

[NashVol11]

Can't agree with you there. There are multiple videos that suggest the agent was struck. But even if we give the greatest benefit of the doubt in saying he wasn't, it was still extremely close. Close enough that self-defense was by no means "unreasonable."

Being "struck" as someone turns away, in a way that doesn't injure you at all, doesn't mean your life is in danger

 

[luthervol]

When you're fixing to level an officer with your car? Odds are in the officers favor.

lol...
My 87 year old mother would have had plenty of time to move out of the way.

 

[NashVol11]

Seems like it worked pretty well for him

Yes, stepping out of the way worked just fine because no one was trying to run him over

 

[Rickyvol77]

lol...
My 87 year old mother would have had plenty of time to move out of the way.

Good thing that your mother's actions aren't an actual legal standard constitutionally

 

[Rickyvol77]

Yes, stepping out of the way worked just fine because no one was trying to run him over

i meant shooting in self defense, ended the threat for good

 

[bamawriter]

Of course

It's a federal investigation and outside of the State's jurisdiction. You could acknowledge the reality of how this kind of thing works, or you could view it as a huge conspiracy.

 

[NashVol11]

"grazed" is a euphemism for being assaulted by a resisting felon

Describing that graze as "assault" is stupid

 

[Rickyvol77]

Being "struck" as someone turns away, in a way that doesn't injure you at all, doesn't mean your life is in danger

LOL another person who has never worked in a law enforcement capacity ever, trying to act like getting hit by a car is no big deal, but then again you also think that people throwing large rocks at others isn't deadly too

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's a federal investigation and outside of the State's jurisdiction. You could acknowledge the reality of how this kind of thing works, or you could view it as a huge conspiracy.

It's simply a lack of understanding of real-world law enforcement and legal investigations...The overton window in full effect here

 

[GVF]

lol.....He could have easily moved out of the way. Plus, he started drawing his gun before she ever started moving forward.

Drawing too late would have had him run over. THen we have to listen to ya'll saying she was right to run over an officer as a paid agitator.

 

[NashVol11]

i meant shooting in self defense, ended the threat for good

It did end someone's life, there was never a threat and most people who aren't all-in for law enforcement aren't buying "self-defense" either

 

[Rickyvol77]

Drawing too late would have had him run over. THen we have to listen to ya'll saying she was right to run over an officer as a paid agitator.

This is why he is a "teacher" and not a real world experience type person

 

[GVF]

Being "struck" as someone turns away, in a way that doesn't injure you at all, doesn't mean your life is in danger

Except he was treated at the hospital maybe ??

 

[luthervol]

i meant shooting in self defense, ended the threat for good

Self defense? Is he not faster than an 87 year old woman?

 

[bamawriter]

Being "struck" as someone turns away, in a way that doesn't injure you at all, doesn't mean your life is in danger

It also doesn't mean that you have nothing to worry about.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

A reasonable person would say this after watching and analyzing the video over and over. He is judged based on what a reasonable officer would do in that .5 - 1 second time frame where the incident took place. Being, him being in front of the vehicle. Not watching it on YouTube 10 times to come up with a theory on what happened.

Exactly. It's not sports.

 

[GVF]

Shooting her in the face wouldn't necessarily keep him from being killed, she kept accelerating in the direction her wheels were pointed after she was shot. What would keep him from being killed was stepping out of the way, which he did

What would keep her from getting killed would be to have stepped out of her vehicle and followed directions.

Fact, first and foremost, This ladies actions were the catalyst that generated everything that happened. And we're not even seeing video, unless I missed one, that shows what she was doing to impede the officers before the videos posted on VN.

 

[luthervol]

Drawing too late would have had him run over. THen we have to listen to ya'll saying she was right to run over an officer as a paid agitator.

How in the world would he be run over? He could have been on crutches and still had plenty of time to get out of the way..

 

[Rickyvol77]

It did end someone's life, there was never a threat and most people who aren't all-in for law enforcement aren't buying "self-defense" either

1) yes due to her actions, it ended her life
2) the officer made a decision of self-defense based on his perception of if he was in danger of death or serious bodily injury
3) Constitutionally it's 100% a good shoot of self defense
4) I am not "all-in" for LE, I just am educated on law, especially in these areas
5) "most people" that you know or follow your leftist spectrum probably do think that, but the majority of normal people do not

 

[Orange_Crush]

Being "struck" as someone turns away, in a way that doesn't injure you at all, doesn't mean your life is in danger

The law will not look at outcomes when judging whether the shooting was justified. It will look at the totality of circumstances within the duration of time that he had to make a decision. I will bet 1,000 VolNation bucks that he is found justified in the shooting.

 

[NashVol11]

Except he was treated at the hospital maybe ??

You really believe everything huh

 

[Rickyvol77]

Self defense? Is he not faster than an 87 year old woman?

Meaningless in the legal discussion. If a 90 year old woman pulls a gun on me, I am "faster and stronger" than her, but if i shoot her, I was well within my rights.

You are simply trying to assign blame to the LEO doing his job legally instead of the criminal who committed at least 3 felonies