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#351
#351
n_huffhines said:
Buddy, you're supposed to have a mask on and do this where there's no cameras.

"Unacceptable": ICE officer relieved of duties after videos show him shoving woman to the ground - CBS News "Unacceptable": ICE officer relieved of duties after videos show him shoving woman to the ground
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BTW, looks like he hasn't been fired. It's relieved of "current" duties. You can shout "I don't care!" at a grieving woman, slam her to the ground, and keep your job in Trump's police state.
 
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#352
#352
KB5252 said:
No, we don't. The masks help defend from positive id and give them an extra layer of protection from this who would do them harm.
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And unfortunately, there are many unstable people that believe doxing them and/or causing them and their families physical harm is absolutely acceptable. SMH.
 
#357
#357
Peradox1K said:
So true. Technically, that's terrorism, in a sense. Violence on their personal lives.
Here's the definition:
The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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It would be a nonsensical sense then. Where's the violence and who are the civilians?
That's not to say it's right. But it's not terrorism.
 
#364
#364
KB5252 said:
How is it random when they chose to make the statement, hit send, and share it with the public proudly?
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What are you talking about? There were vans driving around with the pictures of members of Jewish Voice for Peace or pro-Palestinian organizations at Columbia, and people here were fine with it
 
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#365
NashVol11 said:
What are you talking about? There were vans driving around with the pictures of members of Jewish Voice for Peace or pro-Palestinian organizations at Columbia, and people here were fine with it
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Why are we changing the subject to look over here.

And are we really confusing people that want to dox ICE for doing their job under federal law to exposing people paid by our tax dollars making comments celebrating the death of a political figure who was assasinated for discussing and debating his political views with others, particularly those that disagree with him?

And since you drug the doxing of Palestinian activists or I will say this. If they didn't cross lines of inciting violence against Israelis or others I don't agree with it. If they did and were called on their public comments/rhetoric so be it.
 
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#367
#367
Coming soon: Federal judge will block Trump's takeover of Portland.

Imagine that.... ANTIFA beats the fascists again.

😁

The City of Portland and the State of Oregon then filed a lawsuit alleging the Trump administration had overreached its mandate in federalizing the Oregon National Guard in response to unrest.
 
#369
#369
MOOOOONEY said:
False.

100% of illegal immigrants are criminals.
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No, not 100% of illegal immigrants (often used interchangeably with "undocumented immigrants") are criminals. This conclusion stems from key distinctions in U.S. immigration law, where the act of entering the country illegally is indeed a criminal offense, but simply being present without authorization (e.g., after overstaying a visa) is a civil violation, not a crime. Below, I'll break this down factually, drawing from legal definitions, statistics, and perspectives across the political spectrum to provide a balanced view.

### Legal Distinctions in U.S. Immigration Law
U.S. law treats immigration violations differently based on how someone becomes undocumented:

- **Illegal Entry**: Crossing the border without inspection or using false documents is a federal misdemeanor under 8 U.S.C. § 1325 (Improper Entry by Alien). This is a criminal act, punishable by fines and up to six months in prison for the first offense, escalating to a felony for repeat offenses. Individuals who enter this way are, by definition, criminals due to that act alone.

- **Visa Overstay or Unlawful Presence**: If someone enters legally on a visa but stays beyond its expiration, this is considered "unlawful presence" under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(9)(B). It's a civil infraction, not criminal—no arrest, trial, or jail time for the status itself, though it can lead to deportation, bars on re-entry (e.g., 3- or 10-year bans), or other administrative penalties. USCIS explicitly states that unlawful presence means being in the U.S. without admission or parole, but it's not criminalized.

- **Out of Status vs. Unlawful Presence**: Being "out of status" (violating visa terms, like working without permission) can overlap with unlawful presence but is also civil. The key is that no criminal charges apply unless additional crimes (e.g., fraud) are involved.

In summary, while all undocumented immigrants violate immigration rules, only those who commit illegal entry are criminals solely due to their immigration actions. Overstays account for a significant portion of the undocumented population, meaning a large share haven't committed a crime to achieve their status.

| Violation Type | Legal Classification | Consequences | Example |
|---------------|----------------------|--------------|---------|
| **Illegal Entry** | Criminal (Misdemeanor/Felony) | Fines, jail time, deportation | Crossing the border undetected or with fake papers. |
| **Visa Overstay** | Civil | Deportation, re-entry bans (3/10 years) | Entering on a tourist visa and staying past expiration without extending. |
| **Unlawful Presence** | Civil | Ineligibility for benefits, deportation | Accumulating time in the U.S. without authorization after legal entry. |

### Statistics on How Undocumented Immigrants Arrive
Estimates show that a substantial percentage of the undocumented population did not commit illegal entry:
- Around 40-45% of undocumented immigrants entered legally (e.g., on visas) and then overstayed, according to multiple analyses. This has been a consistent trend for over a decade, with visa overstays even exceeding illegal border crossings in some years.
- The total undocumented population was estimated at about 14 million in 2023, with growth driven by both border crossings and overstays post-COVID policy changes.
- These figures come from sources like Pew Research, DHS, and congressional reports, which use demographic surveys and arrival/departure data to estimate modes of entry.

This means that if we're talking about all undocumented people, at least 40% haven't committed a criminal act related to their immigration status.

### Broader Crime Rates Among Immigrants
Beyond immigration status, research consistently shows that undocumented immigrants do not commit crimes at higher rates than native-born citizens overall:
- Undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than U.S.-born individuals, with studies finding no correlation between immigrant populations and increased crime in states or cities.
- However, critics point out that illegal entry itself is a crime, and some undocumented immigrants do commit additional offenses (e.g., drug trafficking or assault). Federal data shows thousands of criminal convictions among non-citizens annually, but this includes legal immigrants too, and the vast majority of undocumented have no non-immigration criminal records.
- ICE detention stats: About 70-71% of those detained have no criminal convictions beyond potential immigration violations, underscoring that most aren't "criminals" in the broader sense.

### Perspectives from Different Sides
To address the controversy, here's a balanced view from sources representing various stakeholders:
- **Pro-Immigration (e.g., ACLU, American Immigration Council)**: They argue that labeling all undocumented as "criminals" is misleading and harmful, as unlawful presence is civil, not criminal. They emphasize that most immigrants commit fewer crimes than natives and that rhetoric criminalizing them deters reporting of actual crimes.
- **Anti-Immigration (e.g., CIS, Heritage Foundation)**: These groups highlight that illegal entry is a crime and point to data on crimes committed by undocumented individuals (e.g., higher conviction rates in some studies for certain offenses). They argue that open borders enable criminal aliens, but even they don't claim 100% are criminals—focusing instead on subsets with criminal histories (e.g., 50-95% of ICE arrests involve no criminal record beyond immigration).
- **Neutral/Government Sources**: DHS, USCIS, and Pew emphasize the civil-criminal divide and provide data showing mixed entry methods, without politicizing the "criminal" label.

The debate often hinges on terminology: If "illegal immigrant" strictly means someone who entered illegally, then yes, they've committed a crime. But in common usage (and per many sources), it includes overstayers, so the answer is no—not all are criminals. This nuance is why the claim of "100%" doesn't hold up.
 
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#371
Lmao. Rejecting "Kings". The same exact morons that got vaxxed up, 4 boosters, drive around in their cars with a diaper over the mouth listening to NPR.

You same Liberal bootlickers were the ones screaming at everyone " Vax or Ventilator!!"

" YOU are killing my GRANDMA!!"

Trying to force BS policy that was NEVER law on all your fellow Americans like me. Immigration LAWS are just that. LAWS. Everyone here illegally is a freaking criminal and should be deported. Every. Single. One .

" NO KINGS"....supports Communism and wants their Daddy the government to enact gun control, seize private property, give free Healthcare and handouts to all your worthless, mentally ill brethren.

Hahahahahahaha. Deport them ALL. We can talk about having too many ICE officers when 15 out of the 20 million illegals the crooked Biden Administration intentionally let invade our country have been deported. Until then, theres not enough of em running around snatching up criminals. Yall feel free to go with them. Theres a reason why they came here...in many cases because they tried your garbage Socialist ideas and already destroyed their own countries.
 
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#372
MontyPython said:
No, not 100% of illegal immigrants (often used interchangeably with "undocumented immigrants") are criminals. This conclusion stems from key distinctions in U.S. immigration law, where the act of entering the country illegally is indeed a criminal offense, but simply being present without authorization (e.g., after overstaying a visa) is a civil violation, not a crime. Below, I'll break this down factually, drawing from legal definitions, statistics, and perspectives across the political spectrum to provide a balanced view.

### Legal Distinctions in U.S. Immigration Law
U.S. law treats immigration violations differently based on how someone becomes undocumented:

- **Illegal Entry**: Crossing the border without inspection or using false documents is a federal misdemeanor under 8 U.S.C. § 1325 (Improper Entry by Alien). This is a criminal act, punishable by fines and up to six months in prison for the first offense, escalating to a felony for repeat offenses. Individuals who enter this way are, by definition, criminals due to that act alone.

- **Visa Overstay or Unlawful Presence**: If someone enters legally on a visa but stays beyond its expiration, this is considered "unlawful presence" under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(9)(B). It's a civil infraction, not criminal—no arrest, trial, or jail time for the status itself, though it can lead to deportation, bars on re-entry (e.g., 3- or 10-year bans), or other administrative penalties. USCIS explicitly states that unlawful presence means being in the U.S. without admission or parole, but it's not criminalized.

- **Out of Status vs. Unlawful Presence**: Being "out of status" (violating visa terms, like working without permission) can overlap with unlawful presence but is also civil. The key is that no criminal charges apply unless additional crimes (e.g., fraud) are involved.

In summary, while all undocumented immigrants violate immigration rules, only those who commit illegal entry are criminals solely due to their immigration actions. Overstays account for a significant portion of the undocumented population, meaning a large share haven't committed a crime to achieve their status.

| Violation Type | Legal Classification | Consequences | Example |
|---------------|----------------------|--------------|---------|
| **Illegal Entry** | Criminal (Misdemeanor/Felony) | Fines, jail time, deportation | Crossing the border undetected or with fake papers. |
| **Visa Overstay** | Civil | Deportation, re-entry bans (3/10 years) | Entering on a tourist visa and staying past expiration without extending. |
| **Unlawful Presence** | Civil | Ineligibility for benefits, deportation | Accumulating time in the U.S. without authorization after legal entry. |

### Statistics on How Undocumented Immigrants Arrive
Estimates show that a substantial percentage of the undocumented population did not commit illegal entry:
- Around 40-45% of undocumented immigrants entered legally (e.g., on visas) and then overstayed, according to multiple analyses. This has been a consistent trend for over a decade, with visa overstays even exceeding illegal border crossings in some years.
- The total undocumented population was estimated at about 14 million in 2023, with growth driven by both border crossings and overstays post-COVID policy changes.
- These figures come from sources like Pew Research, DHS, and congressional reports, which use demographic surveys and arrival/departure data to estimate modes of entry.

This means that if we're talking about all undocumented people, at least 40% haven't committed a criminal act related to their immigration status.

### Broader Crime Rates Among Immigrants
Beyond immigration status, research consistently shows that undocumented immigrants do not commit crimes at higher rates than native-born citizens overall:
- Undocumented immigrants have lower crime rates than U.S.-born individuals, with studies finding no correlation between immigrant populations and increased crime in states or cities.
- However, critics point out that illegal entry itself is a crime, and some undocumented immigrants do commit additional offenses (e.g., drug trafficking or assault). Federal data shows thousands of criminal convictions among non-citizens annually, but this includes legal immigrants too, and the vast majority of undocumented have no non-immigration criminal records.
- ICE detention stats: About 70-71% of those detained have no criminal convictions beyond potential immigration violations, underscoring that most aren't "criminals" in the broader sense.

### Perspectives from Different Sides
To address the controversy, here's a balanced view from sources representing various stakeholders:
- **Pro-Immigration (e.g., ACLU, American Immigration Council)**: They argue that labeling all undocumented as "criminals" is misleading and harmful, as unlawful presence is civil, not criminal. They emphasize that most immigrants commit fewer crimes than natives and that rhetoric criminalizing them deters reporting of actual crimes.
- **Anti-Immigration (e.g., CIS, Heritage Foundation)**: These groups highlight that illegal entry is a crime and point to data on crimes committed by undocumented individuals (e.g., higher conviction rates in some studies for certain offenses). They argue that open borders enable criminal aliens, but even they don't claim 100% are criminals—focusing instead on subsets with criminal histories (e.g., 50-95% of ICE arrests involve no criminal record beyond immigration).
- **Neutral/Government Sources**: DHS, USCIS, and Pew emphasize the civil-criminal divide and provide data showing mixed entry methods, without politicizing the "criminal" label.

The debate often hinges on terminology: If "illegal immigrant" strictly means someone who entered illegally, then yes, they've committed a crime. But in common usage (and per many sources), it includes overstayers, so the answer is no—not all are criminals. This nuance is why the claim of "100%" doesn't hold up.
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Holy Chatgpt
 
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