Too much ice


Good. Nobody is arguing with any of that. That’s what ICE should be focused on first. Illegal felons and especially the violent ones. I think most sane people are for that. Not for hassling lettuce pickers and brick layers who are just trying to earn a living. (And I might add doing things that regular Americans flat out aren’t going to do.)

I believe a lot of the unrest in Minneapolis is coming from the random stops and the agents running around in masks with no accountability. There is no question that racial profiling is going on with these stops. Saw an interview about a Somali man (an American citizen by the way) who said he has been stopped 10 times in Minneapolis simply for DWB (Driving While Black). That might be an exaggeration but I’m willing to bet that’s going on all over the city.

To his credit, I saw Tom Homan this morning say that things have been done improperly and that “operations will be targeted going forward”. That would be a good first step. We shall see if that comes to pass.
 
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  • Portray the target government as illegitimate, authoritarian, corrupt, or “fascist.”
  • Front-load allegations: accuse incumbent of planning the crimes the opposition intends to commit (rigging, regression, dictatorship).
  • Fund and train NGOs, student groups, and opposition politicians to repeat a unified message.
  • Create/amplify a unifying symbol or theme (e.g., Orange Man Bad).
  • Manufacture an electoral crisis.
  • Street mobilization. <----------------------------Goode and Pretti were unfortunately here--------------------
  • Public appeals to and moral blackmail of the military and police: “You’re with the people, not the regime.”
  • Promises of immunity, future positions for defectors.
  • Threats to those who support target government.
  • Provoke a response, flood media with images of “peaceful protesters” being attacked. <----------------------------and here--------------------
  • International legitimation as foreign governments and media recognizes opposition leaders as “legitimate” authority.
  • Sanctions, frozen assets, diplomatic isolation applied to sitting government.
  • New elections scheduled under international supervision.
 
Good. Nobody is arguing with any of that. That’s what ICE should be focused on first. Illegal felons and especially the violent ones. I think most sane people are for that. Not for hassling lettuce pickers and brick layers who are just trying to earn a living. (And I might add doing things that regular Americans flat out aren’t going to do.)

I believe a lot of the unrest in Minneapolis is coming from the random stops and the agents running around in masks with no accountability. There is no question that racial profiling is going on with these stops. Saw an interview about a Somali man (an American citizen by the way) who said he has been stopped 10 times in Minneapolis simply for DWB (Driving While Black). That might be an exaggeration but I’m willing to bet that’s going on all over the city.

To his credit, I saw Tom Homan this morning say that things have been done improperly and that “operations will be targeted going forward”. That would be a good first step. We shall see if that comes to pass.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph for sure..

the problem lies with your first one....it's easy to say "target the criminals not the lettuce pickers and brick layers" but there are tons of THOSE people who have been rapists, vehicular homicide by DUI, etc. and are involved in tax fraud and identity theft which directly affects actual citizens
 
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Color revolutions are political term used to describe turbulent political events: mass street protests and riots in order to achieve a revolutionary change of government. Some revolutionary upheavals are successful and some remain only attempts. However, so far they have taken place in a number of countries at the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st century.

...

Regime change has been an important feature of US foreign policy for decades, beginning with the overthrow of the Syrian government in 1949. Since then, it has been estimated that the CIA has overthrown or attempted to overthrow over 50 governments, although it has admitted only 7 cases. Color revolutions are an integral part of US foreign policy that seeks regime change in hostile countries.

In addition to the CIA, the State Department, the Pentagon and various US and domestic non-governmental organizations are most often engaged. In the last decade, a long list of countries with relatively stable political systems experienced colorful revolutions. Somewhere they were more and somewhere less successful: Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, Libya, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Iran, Venezuela. The regime change scenarios in all these countries show striking similarities.

The same patterns are persistently repeated, which cannot be mere coincidence. Egypt and Ukraine are very different, but the January 25 revolution in Egypt in 2011 and the Euromaidan revolution in 2014 are so similar that even the behavior of the revolutionaries was the same: moderate Islamists in Egypt and radical nationalists in Ukraine.

...




Three phases of color revolutions

According to Gene Sharp, an American expert on non-violent struggle and a kind of father of colored revolutions, colored revolutions are led by the principle that power structures (the government) rely on their subjects (the people) – the obedience of the people enables the rulers to rule the country. If the subordinates do not submit to the authorities, the authorities lose their power in the state. According to Sharp, classical color revolutions consist of three stages. The first stage includes the creation of an “underground” movement of cells that together form a network of those dissatisfied with the ruling regime. Members are recruited with big slogans and calls to action. A network of mostly young disaffected suddenly leaves anonymity and appears on the streets of big cities in response to a certain signal. The protests want to present themselves as something spontaneous, but in fact everything was prepared earlier.

Most often, protests erupt due to some reason, such as the questionable irregularity of elections (Serbia 2000, Georgia 2003, Ukraine 2004, Russia 2012), a shocking and unexpected event, for example, the self-immolation of a seller in Tunisia in 2010, or Ukraine’s delay in the implementation of the Association Agreement EU 2013. Members of underground cells become the initiators of the rebellion. Protests, gatherings, marches, setting up fences follow. The people realize that the government may be legal but it is illegitimate and forms an anti-government movement that becomes the driving force of the future revolutionary regime change. Of course, the initiators of the protest do everything carefully and organize the majority who really believe in the proclaimed ideals. People wouldn’t be so rampant in the streets knowing they were tools in the hands of the CIA or MI6. A political crowd forms and protests last for days or weeks in the main city squares.

In the second stage, the goal is to discredit defense, security and law and order bodies through strikes, civil disobedience, riots and sabotage. Protesters are occupying city squares and streets that they do not want to leave until their demands are met. The protestors are organized by the logistics network. In the name of the masses, the protesters give an ultimatum to the government and threaten mass uprisings if they are not satisfied. The government has two choices: retaliate with force or accept the demands. The third and final phase follows, which entails the “non-violent” overthrow of the government. In fact, it is about open attacks on authorities and the occupation of government buildings, institutions and other components or symbols of government. A kind of civil assault on the “organism” of the existing political order. If the government strikes the protesters with force, the media will accuse it of crimes and killing peaceful protesters, while if it agrees to concessions, it will be swept away very quickly because the protesters will not agree to compromises.
 
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The only ones being emotional are ones spreading what happened 2 weeks ago and acting as if it changes him being shot. It doesn’t matter who he was as a person or what his views were

It is related to the final day of his life. There’s a pattern developing with his behavior that led to the interactions with officers, then resisting and turning violent. Unfortunately, he lost his life.

I understand you want immediate justice and hang the agents at the MN town square, but that’s not how it works anymore.
 
I agree with your 2nd paragraph for sure..

the problem lies with your first one....it's easy to say "target the criminals not the lettuce pickers and brick layers" but there are tons of THOSE people who have been rapists, vehicular homicide by DUI, etc. and are involved in tax fraud and identity theft which directly affects actual citizens
That is a problem and I don’t know how they solve it. Sure there are felons that have snuck in here but I would submit that that number is dwarfed by the number who are extremely hard working and are just looking for a better life. And simply based on my experience in the ag sector and observation of other areas like restaurants and building trades, they are doing jobs that Americans won’t do. That’s a major reason why they come here legally or illegally- the opportunity to work is there. There needs to be an overhaul of the citizenship process in addition to the enforcement piece.
 
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It's cool, MAGA. The community here will pick up all the broken pieces. Don't forget to put this raid on America's credit card. And thanks for pepper-spraying us in the face in the process.

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Hmm, was it MAGA prior to 2016 when illegals with kids got shipped back or are you showing to don’t have a grasp of this situation?
 
That is a problem and I don’t know how they solve it. Sure there are felons that have snuck in here but I would submit that that number is dwarfed by the number who are extremely hard working and are just looking for a better life. And simply based on my experience in the ag sector and observation of other areas like restaurants and building trades, they are doing jobs that Americans won’t do. That’s a major reason why they come here legally or illegally- the opportunity to work is there. There needs to be an overhaul of the citizenship process in addition to the enforcement piece.
Agree, but they don't want to pay taxes, they don't want to follow the laws, they don't want to get car insurance, and too many are able to double dip by using taxpayer funded welfare and healthcare for nothing..

The only way around is to provide everyone with actual green cards, but what do you do when they won't even follow basic requirements
 



Also:


  • Portray the target government as illegitimate, authoritarian, corrupt, or “fascist.”
  • Front-load allegations: accuse incumbent of planning the crimes the opposition intends to commit (rigging, regression, dictatorship).
  • Fund and train NGOs, student groups, and opposition politicians to repeat a unified message.
  • Create/amplify a unifying symbol or theme (e.g., Orange Man Bad).
  • Manufacture an electoral crisis.
  • Street mobilization.
  • Public appeals to and moral blackmail of the military and police: “You’re with the people, not the regime.”
  • Promises of immunity, future positions for defectors.
  • Threats to those who support target government. <-------------They are here--------------------
  • Provoke a response, flood media with images of “peaceful protesters” being attacked.
  • International legitimation as foreign governments and media recognizes opposition leaders as “legitimate” authority.
  • Sanctions, frozen assets, diplomatic isolation applied to sitting government.
  • New elections scheduled under international supervision.
 
It is related to the final day of his life. There’s a pattern developing with his behavior that led to the interactions with officers, then resisting and turning violent. Unfortunately, he lost his life.

I understand you want immediate justice and hang the agents at the MN town square, but that’s not how it works anymore.
And his patterns doesn’t change the fact he was shot by federal agents multiple times in the back while being unarmed. It doesn’t matter if he was looking for trouble, it doesn’t change what happened on Saturday

Who said anything about immediate justice and them being hung?
 



  • Portray the target government as illegitimate, authoritarian, corrupt, or “fascist.”
  • Front-load allegations: accuse incumbent of planning the crimes the opposition intends to commit (rigging, regression, dictatorship).
  • Fund and train NGOs, student groups, and opposition politicians to repeat a unified message.
  • Create/amplify a unifying symbol or theme (e.g., Orange Man Bad).
  • Manufacture an electoral crisis.
  • Street mobilization.
  • Public appeals to and moral blackmail of the military and police: “You’re with the people, not the regime.” <----------------------and here--------------------------
  • Promises of immunity, future positions for defectors.
  • Threats to those who support target government.
  • Provoke a response, flood media with images of “peaceful protesters” being attacked.
  • International legitimation as foreign governments and media recognizes opposition leaders as “legitimate” authority.
  • Sanctions, frozen assets, diplomatic isolation applied to sitting government.
  • New elections scheduled under international supervision.
 
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Agree, but they don't want to pay taxes, they don't want to follow the laws, they don't want to get car insurance, and too many are able to double dip by using taxpayer funded welfare and healthcare for nothing..

The only way around is to provide everyone with actual green cards, but what do you do when they won't even follow basic requirements
illegals pay more in taxes than the bottom 50% of American earners
 
Color revolutions are political term used to describe turbulent political events: mass street protests and riots in order to achieve a revolutionary change of government. Some revolutionary upheavals are successful and some remain only attempts. However, so far they have taken place in a number of countries at the end of the 20th and the beginning of the 21st century.

...

Regime change has been an important feature of US foreign policy for decades, beginning with the overthrow of the Syrian government in 1949. Since then, it has been estimated that the CIA has overthrown or attempted to overthrow over 50 governments, although it has admitted only 7 cases. Color revolutions are an integral part of US foreign policy that seeks regime change in hostile countries.

In addition to the CIA, the State Department, the Pentagon and various US and domestic non-governmental organizations are most often engaged. In the last decade, a long list of countries with relatively stable political systems experienced colorful revolutions. Somewhere they were more and somewhere less successful: Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, Libya, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Iran, Venezuela. The regime change scenarios in all these countries show striking similarities.

The same patterns are persistently repeated, which cannot be mere coincidence. Egypt and Ukraine are very different, but the January 25 revolution in Egypt in 2011 and the Euromaidan revolution in 2014 are so similar that even the behavior of the revolutionaries was the same: moderate Islamists in Egypt and radical nationalists in Ukraine.

...




Three phases of color revolutions

According to Gene Sharp, an American expert on non-violent struggle and a kind of father of colored revolutions, colored revolutions are led by the principle that power structures (the government) rely on their subjects (the people) – the obedience of the people enables the rulers to rule the country. If the subordinates do not submit to the authorities, the authorities lose their power in the state. According to Sharp, classical color revolutions consist of three stages. The first stage includes the creation of an “underground” movement of cells that together form a network of those dissatisfied with the ruling regime. Members are recruited with big slogans and calls to action. A network of mostly young disaffected suddenly leaves anonymity and appears on the streets of big cities in response to a certain signal. The protests want to present themselves as something spontaneous, but in fact everything was prepared earlier.

Most often, protests erupt due to some reason, such as the questionable irregularity of elections (Serbia 2000, Georgia 2003, Ukraine 2004, Russia 2012), a shocking and unexpected event, for example, the self-immolation of a seller in Tunisia in 2010, or Ukraine’s delay in the implementation of the Association Agreement EU 2013. Members of underground cells become the initiators of the rebellion. Protests, gatherings, marches, setting up fences follow. The people realize that the government may be legal but it is illegitimate and forms an anti-government movement that becomes the driving force of the future revolutionary regime change. Of course, the initiators of the protest do everything carefully and organize the majority who really believe in the proclaimed ideals. People wouldn’t be so rampant in the streets knowing they were tools in the hands of the CIA or MI6. A political crowd forms and protests last for days or weeks in the main city squares.

In the second stage, the goal is to discredit defense, security and law and order bodies through strikes, civil disobedience, riots and sabotage. Protesters are occupying city squares and streets that they do not want to leave until their demands are met. The protestors are organized by the logistics network. In the name of the masses, the protesters give an ultimatum to the government and threaten mass uprisings if they are not satisfied. The government has two choices: retaliate with force or accept the demands. The third and final phase follows, which entails the “non-violent” overthrow of the government. In fact, it is about open attacks on authorities and the occupation of government buildings, institutions and other components or symbols of government. A kind of civil assault on the “organism” of the existing political order. If the government strikes the protesters with force, the media will accuse it of crimes and killing peaceful protesters, while if it agrees to concessions, it will be swept away very quickly because the protesters will not agree to compromises.
Great explanation.
People don’t see it and are becoming useful idiots.
Wish more people were aware.
 
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illegals pay more in taxes than the bottom 50% of American earners
They actually do not....they pay no federal income tax...just because you are counting "they pay groceries and property taxes" with the illegal under the table money while also utilizing taxpayer services as paying taxes, doesn't make it so.

And something else about that "bottom 50% of American earners" paying taxes too hmmmm

also that's not even counting the massive fraud from identity theft and stealing Social Security numbers
 

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