Too much blame laid at the nebulous doorstep of "coaching"

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AirGibson

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By no means am I defending the coaches here, as I especially disliked how we seemed to insist on passing too much and calling soft off-the-line defenses when they are obviously running quick slants for the entire second half, but there are many of these things you simply cannot blame the coaches for:

- Foster running into Crompton
- Foster fumbling at a critical moment
- Idiotic blocking choices on the punt block
- Rodgers continuing to drop multiple catches (including a 40 yarder that would have been a tough grab, but do-able).
- Lincoln missing 3 FGs (granted, 51 and 55 is hard, but the missed OT FG was awful).
- Crompton, the QB, false starting. Has been awhile since I saw the QB called for that.
- Crompton and the center fumbling the snap exchange.
- Crompton getting very rattled under pressure.
- Absolutely horrific officiating
- 9 penalties for 55 yards, many coming from a veteran O-line.

Barring the officials, these are all things that the opposition had nothing to do with (and arguably, the coaches had little to do with as well). The players simply beat themselves with these constant miscues that would turn a 1st and 10 into a 3rd and 9. The good news is that this is all very much "fixable" by the players themselves. The coaches can (and do) make Foster run constant drills to prevent fumbles, but what can you do when the player simply forgets what he learned and does otherwise in the game? Long story short, I think these bone-headed plays where we beat ourselves cost us far more than any of the strategic play calls by the coaching.

Bottom line: A bye week and a game against UAB should help resolve a lot of this which does not have a lot to do with coaching. Sometimes the stars just aren't aligned. I think the Florida game will be a different beast and that the coaches will help settle down an overly-nervous offense.
 
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Ultimate responsibility resides with the HFC.

You've described many things that reek of unpreparedness. That surely is the problem of the coaching staff.
 
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The officiating wasn't that bad. I don't see how they could have cost us the game. They called this one right. We straight up deserved to lose.
 
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AirGibson said:
By no means am I defending the coaches here, as I especially disliked how we seemed to insist on passing too much and calling soft off-the-line defenses when they are obviously running quick slants for the entire second half, but there are many of these things you simply cannot blame the coaches for:

- Foster running into Crompton - Coaching
- Foster fumbling at a critical moment - Coaching
- Idiotic blocking choices on the punt block - Coaching
- Rodgers continuing to drop multiple catches (including a 40 yarder that would have been a tough grab, but do-able). - Coaching
- Lincoln missing 3 FGs (granted, 51 and 55 is hard, but the missed OT FG was awful). - Coaching
- Crompton, the QB, false starting. Has been awhile since I saw the QB called for that. - Coaching
- Crompton and the center fumbling the snap exchange. - Coaching
- Crompton getting very rattled under pressure. - Coaching
- Absolutely horrific officiating - Sour Grapes
- 9 penalties for 55 yards, many coming from a veteran O-line. - Coaching

Barring the officials, these are all things that the opposition had nothing to do with (and arguably, the coaches had little to do with as well). The players simply beat themselves with these constant miscues that would turn a 1st and 10 into a 3rd and 9. The good news is that this is all very much "fixable" by the players themselves. The coaches can (and do) make Foster run constant drills to prevent fumbles, but what can you do when the player simply forgets what he learned and does otherwise in the game? Long story short, I think these bone-headed plays where we beat ourselves cost us far more than any of the strategic play calls by the coaching.

Bottom line: A bye week and a game against UAB should help resolve a lot of this which does not have a lot to do with coaching. Sometimes the stars just aren't aligned. I think the Florida game will be a different beast and that the coaches will help settle down an overly-nervous offense.
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BigPapaVol said:
Ultimate responsibility resides with the HFC.

You've described many things that reek of unpreparedness. That surely is the problem of the coaching staff.
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If you don't think that they have had Foster working on his Fumbling issue, I don't know what to tell you.

When the entire offense runs a play correctly barring one player (Foster running into the QB), again, I have to wonder who is really "to blame". To say the "Head Coach" is responsible for everything is a cop-out and fails to address all of the problems. Certainly our coaching is completely questionable, but the players themselves can easily make some changes to correct so many things regardless of who is coaching them.
 
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yes, but someone tell me how do you play soft prevent def in the 2nd have against a qb who threw 4ints???? someone answer that one for me...
 
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The idiotic blocking choices would not have been an issue if our idiotic coaches had not decided to use a spread formation.
 
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Completely agreed re: soft defense. Why on earth they didn't jam them at the line or just play straight man was beyond me.
 
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AirGibson said:
By no means am I defending the coaches here, as I especially disliked how we seemed to insist on passing too much and calling soft off-the-line defenses when they are obviously running quick slants for the entire second half, but there are many of these things you simply cannot blame the coaches for:

- Foster running into Crompton
- Foster fumbling at a critical moment
- Idiotic blocking choices on the punt block
- Rodgers continuing to drop multiple catches (including a 40 yarder that would have been a tough grab, but do-able).
- Lincoln missing 3 FGs (granted, 51 and 55 is hard, but the missed OT FG was awful).
- Crompton, the QB, false starting. Has been awhile since I saw the QB called for that.
- Crompton and the center fumbling the snap exchange.
- Crompton getting very rattled under pressure.
- Absolutely horrific officiating
- 9 penalties for 55 yards, many coming from a veteran O-line.

Barring the officials, these are all things that the opposition had nothing to do with (and arguably, the coaches had little to do with as well). The players simply beat themselves with these constant miscues that would turn a 1st and 10 into a 3rd and 9. The good news is that this is all very much "fixable" by the players themselves. The coaches can (and do) make Foster run constant drills to prevent fumbles, but what can you do when the player simply forgets what he learned and does otherwise in the game? Long story short, I think these bone-headed plays where we beat ourselves cost us far more than any of the strategic play calls by the coaching.

Bottom line: A bye week and a game against UAB should help resolve a lot of this which does not have a lot to do with coaching. Sometimes the stars just aren't aligned. I think the Florida game will be a different beast and that the coaches will help settle down an overly-nervous offense.
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That's quite a list! The bottom to me is that our team was out prepared, out schemed, out motivated, and out smarted. This ALL falls under the responsibility of coaching.

The only individual player I lay any blame on is Arian Foster. He's a senior and by now should not be fumbling the ball! If he does not fumble that ball in the redzone, in all likelihood we go up 21-7 and I truly believe we kill their spirit and win the game. If I'm Fulmer, I send a real message to Foster by not even playing him in the UAB game! I would start Hardesty and Creer and make Foster ride the pine for one game.
 
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AirGibson said:
By no means am I defending the coaches here, as I especially disliked how we seemed to insist on passing too much and calling soft off-the-line defenses when they are obviously running quick slants for the entire second half, but there are many of these things you simply cannot blame the coaches for:

- Foster running into Crompton
- Foster fumbling at a critical moment
- Idiotic blocking choices on the punt block
- Rodgers continuing to drop multiple catches (including a 40 yarder that would have been a tough grab, but do-able).
- Lincoln missing 3 FGs (granted, 51 and 55 is hard, but the missed OT FG was awful).
- Crompton, the QB, false starting. Has been awhile since I saw the QB called for that.
- Crompton and the center fumbling the snap exchange.
- Crompton getting very rattled under pressure.
- Absolutely horrific officiating
- 9 penalties for 55 yards, many coming from a veteran O-line.

Barring the officials, these are all things that the opposition had nothing to do with (and arguably, the coaches had little to do with as well). The players simply beat themselves with these constant miscues that would turn a 1st and 10 into a 3rd and 9. The good news is that this is all very much "fixable" by the players themselves. The coaches can (and do) make Foster run constant drills to prevent fumbles, but what can you do when the player simply forgets what he learned and does otherwise in the game? Long story short, I think these bone-headed plays where we beat ourselves cost us far more than any of the strategic play calls by the coaching.

Bottom line: A bye week and a game against UAB should help resolve a lot of this which does not have a lot to do with coaching. Sometimes the stars just aren't aligned. I think the Florida game will be a different beast and that the coaches will help settle down an overly-nervous offense.
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Son, to me blaming the officials is weak. I'm a Raider Fan and I remember the "Tuck" rule. (The NFL did misspell Tuck.) The Raiders still should have won, bad officiating or not.

That seems like a poor excuse to me. When a team with superior talent loses to a team with inferior talent, coaching has got to be examined.
 
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VolDad said:
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Sorry, but putting the word "coaching" next to everything doesn't quite mean anything. Every bit of that can be corrected by the players themselves regardless of who we have as coach.

I know it's nice to vent, and certainly the coaching staff has a lot of ugly issues to work on. But to absolve all players of any and all responsibility is asinine.
 
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AirGibson said:
Sorry, but putting the word "coaching" next to everything doesn't quite mean anything. Every bit of that can be corrected by the players themselves regardless of who we have as coach.

I know it's nice to vent, and certainly the coaching staff has a lot of ugly issues to work on. But to absolve all players of any and all responsibility is asinine.
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For me, it's beyond "work on." Fulmer and Chavis are dinosaurs. They are who they are and they are not going to change. They should've "worked on" their coaching shortcomings years ago!
 
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my guess is foster running into crompton was cromptons fault, but what do i know.
 
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AirGibson said:
By no means am I defending the coaches here, as I especially disliked how we seemed to insist on passing too much and calling soft off-the-line defenses when they are obviously running quick slants for the entire second half, but there are many of these things you simply cannot blame the coaches for:

- Foster running into Crompton
- Foster fumbling at a critical moment
- Idiotic blocking choices on the punt block Coaching
- Rodgers continuing to drop multiple catches (including a 40 yarder that would have been a tough grab, but do-able). - ya the 40 yarder would've been nice, but the only other time i remember him dropping a pass, Crompton threw it 12 ft in the air. Rodgers jumped for it then got his legs taken out. Lame
- Lincoln missing 3 FGs (granted, 51 and 55 is hard, but the missed OT FG was awful).
- Crompton, the QB, false starting. Has been awhile since I saw the QB called for that.
- Crompton and the center fumbling the snap exchange.
- Crompton getting very rattled under pressure.
- Absolutely horrific officiating - as bad as it was that is def no excuse. Lame
- 9 penalties for 55 yards, many coming from a veteran O-line.

Barring the officials, these are all things that the opposition had nothing to do with (and arguably, the coaches had little to do with as well). The players simply beat themselves with these constant miscues that would turn a 1st and 10 into a 3rd and 9. The good news is that this is all very much "fixable" by the players themselves. The coaches can (and do) make Foster run constant drills to prevent fumbles, but what can you do when the player simply forgets what he learned and does otherwise in the game? Long story short, I think these bone-headed plays where we beat ourselves cost us far more than any of the strategic play calls by the coaching.

Bottom line: A bye week and a game against UAB should help resolve a lot of this which does not have a lot to do with coaching. Sometimes the stars just aren't aligned. I think the Florida game will be a different beast and that the coaches will help settle down an overly-nervous offense.
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AirGibson I agree but we are outnumbered here. If the game is won it's because the kid's played great and got it done. If it's lost it's because of the coaches bottom line. A bunch of keyboard jocks telling real ones how to play football in hindsight!
 
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the problem with not putting this at the coaches' feet is that there were just TOO MANY errors made not to.

a guy lining up wrong or 1 turnover or a couple penalties........that's part of the game, it will happen.

but on MOnday night, there were a plethora of errors made in all phases of the game by multiple players........the sheer volume of errors indicates it was a coaching issue...they were not prepared. again, for each specific instance in and of itself separate from the total mess that was Monday night, i would agree, the player is accountable.

but Fulmer was right about one thing.......they did make enough mistakes to lose 3-4 games. and that's why it's a coaching issue.
 
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AirGibson said:
By no means am I defending the coaches here, as I especially disliked how we seemed to insist on passing too much and calling soft off-the-line defenses when they are obviously running quick slants for the entire second half, but there are many of these things you simply cannot blame the coaches for:

- Foster running into Crompton
- Foster fumbling at a critical moment
- Idiotic blocking choices on the punt block
- Rodgers continuing to drop multiple catches (including a 40 yarder that would have been a tough grab, but do-able).
- Lincoln missing 3 FGs (granted, 51 and 55 is hard, but the missed OT FG was awful).
- Crompton, the QB, false starting. Has been awhile since I saw the QB called for that.
- Crompton and the center fumbling the snap exchange.
- Crompton getting very rattled under pressure.
- Absolutely horrific officiating
- 9 penalties for 55 yards, many coming from a veteran O-line.

Barring the officials, these are all things that the opposition had nothing to do with (and arguably, the coaches had little to do with as well). The players simply beat themselves with these constant miscues that would turn a 1st and 10 into a 3rd and 9. The good news is that this is all very much "fixable" by the players themselves. The coaches can (and do) make Foster run constant drills to prevent fumbles, but what can you do when the player simply forgets what he learned and does otherwise in the game? Long story short, I think these bone-headed plays where we beat ourselves cost us far more than any of the strategic play calls by the coaching.

Bottom line: A bye week and a game against UAB should help resolve a lot of this which does not have a lot to do with coaching. Sometimes the stars just aren't aligned. I think the Florida game will be a different beast and that the coaches will help settle down an overly-nervous offense.
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Well put. Though the extremists here will disagree.

BTW Of course the coaches share the blame. It is a team sport.
 
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TennesseeT said:
AirGibson I agree but we are outnumbered here. If the game is won it's because the kid's played great and got it done. If it's lost it's because of the coaches bottom line. A bunch of keyboard jocks telling real ones how to play football in hindsight!
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VolDad said:
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Your Crazy none of those really have to do with coaching. These are all mistakes made by players. Your coach cant make you block, your coach cant make you catch, your coach cant make you hold onto the ball, your coach cant stop you from jumping off sides when your in the heat of a game. Your coach cant kick the field goals for you. Sometimes I feel like people forget that its up to a player to be prepared for the game. The coach does not come to your house and say hey buddy anything I can do to help you get mentally prepared for this game so you dont drop passes???? Its on the players!!!!!! The coaches just put you in the right spots, its up to you to make a play. Bottom line we did not make enough plays to win.
 
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m37bruno said:
Your Crazy none of those really have to do with coaching. These are all mistakes made by players. Your coach cant make you block, your coach cant make you catch, your coach cant make you hold onto the ball, your coach cant stop you from jumping off sides when your in the heat of a game. Your coach cant kick the field goals for you. Sometimes I feel like people forget that its up to a player to be prepared for the game. The coach does not come to your house and say hey buddy anything I can do to help you get mentally prepared for this game so you dont drop passes???? Its on the players!!!!!! The coaches just put you in the right spots, its up to you to make a play. Bottom line we did not make enough plays to win.
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The coaches absolutely did not put the players in the right spots on that blocked punt.
 
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TennesseeT said:
AirGibson I agree but we are outnumbered here. If the game is won it's because the kid's played great and got it done. If it's lost it's because of the coaches bottom line. A bunch of keyboard jocks telling real ones how to play football in hindsight!
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College football players rarely win despite their coaching. A win usually comes from a good game plan properly executed. In this case for whatever reason the game plan was not working and our coaches did not adjust. It was very simple really, we ran the ball well but chose to pass when it was not there (for whatever reason).

UCLA's plan did not work the first half so they came out and adjusted in the second half and took it to us. We went in to soft coverage and gave up the short routes, Chow adjusted to it and made us pay for it.

Despite the poor execution we had the lead and the game would have been won had we forced the QB to make hard decisions, instead THE COACHES ALLOWED Chow to orchestrate the dink and dunk passing game that beat us! Had we adjusted to their game we would have won that game. You don't have to be a coach to come to that conclusion, only a very few (Fulmer and Chavis) don't get it!
 
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There were definitely some coaching mistakes, like that moronic punt defense formation. But most of our problems were execution. That is only a coaching issue if you think it's sound football to bench every player who goofs up.
 
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