Too many recruits?

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The class is pretty much full so what happens if we have a stellar season? (9-3,10-2) which I believe could really happen. Forgive me for being an optimist. But say it does happen and we have some more big time recruits wanting to come? Do we cut loose some of the 3 stars or what? Hate to y’all a kid to look elsewhere but I also desperately want to win and be elite again. Thoughts?
 
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That's the sad reality of the latest class number limitations. Coaches never stop trying to recruit over their players or their commits. Players understand that and do not shut down their recruitment unless they're sure they have a spot.

There is usually an understanding that allows the player to de-commit and save face. Occasionally, it turns into a big stink when a guy either isn't expecting it or else has his heart set on the school he's committed to.

I think it is a near certainty that 3-5 guys currently committed will either not get a scholarship outright or will sign elsewhere.
 
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Some will decommit, some will be “processed out” of the class by the coaches. There are dudes currently on the commit list who will not end up at UT. Also, there are uncommitted dudes or dudes on others commit list who will end up at UT.

This will be a weird year. Between Corona and civil unrest, mama’s are going to want their babies closer to home.
 
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This confuses me every year. Peaygolf is correct. It is very fluid. All I know for certain is the NCAA allows football teams to add up to 25 new scholarship players to the roster per academic year, so long as the total number of scholarship players does not exceed 85. As of right now per 24/7 we have 4 enrollees, 19 signed letter of intents and 4 transfers for the class of 2020. (Tennessee 2020 Football Commits) So we are essentially 4 over but the assumption is probably 4 of those LOI's will not ultimately sign. If they all do you can always greyshirt too, essentially signing the kid in the second semester, giving them 5 years essentially of eligibility and by then you usually will have lost some scholarship players to grades or injuries.
 
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Wait, just to correct myself, do transfers count for the year class they are acquired?
 
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I have seen info from some recruits that what they like about CJP is that he is upfront and honest with them.I can't imagine JP not telling the recruits who commit early what may happen later down the process,like them deciding to explore other options,or them becoming out not in.When you are honest with them,you can't be dismayed by it!!I want this class to be as great as possible,for that is how you become great,with great players.Sorry for the length!
 
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The class is pretty much full so what happens if we have a stellar season? (9-3,10-2) which I believe could really happen. Forgive me for being an optimist. But say it does happen and we have some more big time recruits wanting to come? Do we cut loose some of the 3 stars or what? Hate to y’all a kid to look elsewhere but I also desperately want to win and be elite again. Thoughts?

You don’t stop recruiting. There is no such thing as a full class until signing day is over!
 
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Get commits from the best players you can regardless of numbers. Tell the least desirable commits to look elsewhere a month or two before signing day. Players do this to schools all the time as do the best programs. Recruiting can be unforgiving and a little ruthless because of how competitive its gotten.
 
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Some will decommit, some will be “processed out” of the class by the coaches. There are dudes currently on the commit list who will not end up at UT. Also, there are uncommitted dudes or dudes on others commit list who will end up at UT.

This will be a weird year. Between Corona and civil unrest, mama’s are going to want their babies closer to home.

this will not happen. There may be some that decommit, read the writing on the wall, etc. But the coaches will not "process out" recruits. Too much at stake: the coaches integrity with recruits, their parents, and the recruits HS coaches.

Coaches get very creative near signing day: "grey shirts" etc., transfers that leave, dismissals, career injuries lots of holes suddenly open up.

You want to get your 3* earlier than later (and get the ones you want) or you end up with a Dooley class with some low 3's and 2*s. Like Tugboat (I forgot his name).
 
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Wait, just to correct myself, do transfers count for the year class they are acquired?

This article says transfers count against the 85 and the 25. Not sure if still correct.
https://www.si.com/college/2019/02/18/transfer-portal-scholarship-limits-initial-counter-rule

A scholarship player signed out of high school counts as an initial. So does a junior college transfer. And so do transfers from four-year schools—be they undergraduates or graduate students.
 
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this 'fluid situation' happens every year in recruiting

literally, every year
 
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This confuses me every year. Peaygolf is correct. It is very fluid. All I know for certain is the NCAA allows football teams to add up to 25 new scholarship players to the roster per academic year, so long as the total number of scholarship players does not exceed 85. As of right now per 24/7 we have 4 enrollees, 19 signed letter of intents and 4 transfers for the class of 2020. (Tennessee 2020 Football Commits) So we are essentially 4 over but the assumption is probably 4 of those LOI's will not ultimately sign. If they all do you can always greyshirt too, essentially signing the kid in the second semester, giving them 5 years essentially of eligibility and by then you usually will have lost some scholarship players to grades or injuries.

This is some what of a mystery to me. The allow 25 per year but only a total of 85 at any one time. Now if my simple math is correct 25 per year with a 4 year college career, this adds up to 100, right? I understand, attrition, but still their should be a way to adjust other than "oh well, let's just sayyyyy 85 total, yeah, that sounds about right".
 
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The gist
you can have a million commits if you like , means nothing technically. Signing day can take around 27-28 w adjustments.
Relax. Pruitt has been at this a looonnnggg time
 
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this will not happen. There may be some that decommit, read the writing on the wall, etc. But the coaches will not "process out" recruits).

I call it “process out” but you can call it “writing on the wall” or a “wink and a nod” or whatever. But bottom line, if you’re at or past your limit and 5* Leonard Taylor or stud Brashard Smith says “I want in,” somebody else is going bye bye. Happens all the time.
 
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I call it “process out” but you can call it “writing on the wall” or a “wink and a nod” or whatever. But bottom line, if you’re at or past your limit and 5* Leonard Taylor or stud Brashard Smith says “I want in,” somebody else is going bye bye. Happens all the time.

First of all, there is a difference between "processing out" and "read the writing on the wall"
Processing means UT coaches does not honor their offer. "Read the writing on the wall" the recruit makes the decision to stay or decommit. In none my posts on this subject have I ever used the term "a wink and a nod"

If you've read any of posts I've explained why TN coaches don't practice processing. Sometimes recruits will accept a grey shirt of a semester and go on a full ride which counts against next years totals. I have repeated that Processing shows "lack of integrity" on the coaches part. That's an awful lot to lose because recruiting is all about the relationships between the coaches, recruits, recruit's parents, recruit's HS coach.

I have consistently said "trust the coaches creativity, the numbers always work out."

Since you say "it happens all the time", then name 3 times where UT coaches pulled a "ship" and left a recruit high and dry. You'll be lucky if you can name one

UF processed a 3* TE, with good grades, no trouble etc. The recruit's dad went full nuke on every media outlet he could get on, even ESPN.

If Taylor or Smith want to come here, they'll be here. No one will be processed. The best thing you can do is not worry about it, coaches will handle this and not ruin their reputations.

Where there's a difference of opinion, then there's always room for a wager.
You win, you can make a 100 posts telling everybody how stupid I am with no contest. I win and I only require one thing: for you to shut up about processing.
 
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