Too early?

#27
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FlyFishnVol said:
I am thinking it is the players and not the coaches, do any us really think that these coaches don't know what their doing? Come on, pull those rose color glasses off and one can only see their is a internal war going on between JG and QD and they have their friends. This is a player problem and these coaches are having a hard time putting someone out of the field they can "TRUST" I think JG performance pretty much sums up his game prepping work ethic.........

I think it is too easy to blame the coaches these days for player performance on Saturday.
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We have a serious problem with player development. These player issues will always exist, every year, at every school. Its the HC job to manage that.

But we cant just look at a single issue.
 
#28
#28
Orange_Vol1321 said:
They don't want to wait. They want to make enough noise so it will distact the team.

They are "fans" hoping we lose so they can get rid of Butch.
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That's sort of my point. With all the noise in the media and fans you know the team is being affected. It's definitely going to hurt the team. Hopefully they can pull together and new leaders will step up since the leaders in secondary, linebackers, and WR went down with injuries. They definitely need an inky about right now. Just let them play. The seniors deserve a good year. BJ is gone regardless. Even if he wins out. He isn't staying here with the wolves circling at every loss or close game.
 
#29
#29
Butch Jones continues to make bone-head decisions in critical situations. Think about any major victory the Vols have in recent memory. 1.) GT . . . if not for an amazing strip during the last 5 minutes of the game (which is incredibly unlikely) Tennessee loses by 10-14 while GT bleeds the clock too far to recover from. UGA last season . . . Before the incredible "Dobb-nail Boot," Butch Jones makes a critical error and plays cover 2 when the only possible way UT could lose is if they throw right over the top (which they did by the way). The exact same thing happened the last time we played Florida in The Swamp, and last week . . . FLA last year in Neyland - down 21-3 before some incredible catches by Jauan Jennings to keep drives alive. Coach Jones gets no credit for poor play calling. Great players made plays which allow Butch to keep his job. If not for incredible plays, Butch may have already lost his job. He does a terrible job scheming and runs the most vanilla offense in the SEC. He also does not make good second-half adjustments. Other coaches do, and that's why he blows 17-point, 4th quarter leads against quality opponents. Tennessee has 3 wins against GT (should have lost), winless UMass, and some school from Indiana in the third year of their program. Please . . . Butch looks awful and the players clearly don't respond well to his coaching style.
 
#30
#30
Terrible play-calling and poor coaching hires leave CBJ ready to be fired. Butch Jones is a great encourager and recruiter, but he's an awful decision-maker, especially when the pressure is on. Players don't call a pass play at the goal line, players don't call Cover 2 with less than 10 seconds left in the game, and players don't put in a cold quarterback during the most critical point of a game. Butch Jones needs to be fired if our goal is to win SEC East Championships.

hohenfelsvol said:
Amazing stuff there. You will not see the train coming. It will run your butt over.
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#32
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FlyFishnVol said:
one more thing.........because Jones is loyal to his players........they are taking advantage of it. If it was me.........I would call their parents and explain the issue......if that does not work..........hit the road. Sometime you have to cut the big trees down to let the little trees grow.
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That actually makes sense and is one of his flaws.

Congrats.
 
#33
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FlyFishnVol said:
I am thinking it is the players and not the coaches, do any us really think that these coaches don't know what their doing? Come on, pull those rose color glasses off and one can only see their is a internal war going on between JG and QD and they have their friends. This is a player problem and these coaches are having a hard time putting someone out of the field they can "TRUST" I think JG performance pretty much sums up his game prepping work ethic.........

I think it is too easy to blame the coaches these days for player performance on Saturday.
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Or maybe the players realize they are being poorly coached and developed, and are giving up. It's a canary in a coal mine. They see it coming before we do. They know the inner workings of the program more than we do. They are closer to the coaches than 99.9% of us will ever be.

There is one constant I have noticed under Jones. Coaches with a good to great track record suddenly "forget how to coach" overnight when they start here. Our DB coach fielded top 10 passing defenses in previous stops, our DC fielded top 25 defenses for 5 years. Do you honestly believe all of these coaches just became stupid overnight? There is one constant theme each year with each new set of coaches: Butch Jones.
 
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If you play good football and get beat, thats one thing. We dont play good football.[/QUOTE]

Definitely agree....and with no heart v. UMASS.

Our VOLS don't get it together...the UGA beatdown could be epic.....as in the UA last year category.
 
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I have a problem with the coaches when I look at other teams who can start freshmen at qb and be successful, but we have two highly rated qbs (a jr, and a redshirt fr) that look like they just got out of high school. What are the coaches coaching these these kids!! And that's just the qb position. We have a d-line full of 4 and 5 stars but they get pushed around by every team we play. The development of our players is terrible. Something needs to be done in this department asap!!
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
one more thing.........because Jones is loyal to his players........they are taking advantage of it. If it was me.........I would call their parents and explain the issue......if that does not work..........hit the road. Sometime you have to cut the big trees down to let the little trees grow.
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IF....this is the root of the problem, then he should have learned his lesson last season....that was the weakest, softest, most ill-disciplined UT football team I've watched in quite a while...aside from a couple of great players.

I admit that I liked what I saw in his 2nd & 3rd year - those teams were tough and took it too all comers. I also don't subscribe to the notion bad coaching / decisions were the single point of failure in most losses...it's a team sport and players damn sure have to execute.

Last year was disappointing to say the least. Some issues due to injuries, but they weren't playing tough, competitive football from the get go....it reared it's ugly head v. UMASS. I do put that primarily on coaching...but agree that some falls on the players....they have to want it and have some personal pride in what they're doing.
 
#37
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FlyFishnVol said:
I am thinking it is the players and not the coaches, do any us really think that these coaches don't know what their doing? Come on, pull those rose color glasses off and one can only see their is a internal war going on between JG and QD and they have their friends. This is a player problem and these coaches are having a hard time putting someone out of the field they can "TRUST" I think JG performance pretty much sums up his game prepping work ethic.........

I think it is too easy to blame the coaches these days for player performance on Saturday.
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Damn son.

Maybe Butch Jones is actually Jim Jone's long, lost love child.

Well, we know if he can't hack it was a head coach, he always has a promising career as a cult leader.
 
#38
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volfannbama said:
The other 90 threads were not enough, we needed one more to do the trick? J/k

Seriously though, we didnt lose in the swamp to a bs play. We lost due to bs coaching and a series of bad decisions. Those same decisions that have lead to losses in most big games over the last 4 years. We lost due to lack of player development.

Whats the definition of insanity? Something like doing the same thing expecting a different result.
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No it is not the same. We threw the ball 6 times inside the 10. Any other year he would have ran it 6 times and everybody would have bashed him for running the footall. The answer isnt in a play call or a coaching decision. Just win and everybody will shut up. When you lose I dont care what you do, people are going to gripe until no end. You dont here a single person talking about how Florida let 20 seconds run off the clock before they called a timeout at the end of the game do you, which was absolutely stupid! Why? Because they won!
 
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Kelley_VFL said:
We are 3-1. Lost only game on a BS play in the swamp. Can we at least let him fail before we ask for his head? I mean I am as unhappy as anyone with the way we lost that game and the way we struggled with the umass game. But can we let them lose first? This team doesn't give up. They have some heart on that field. We may be suprised this weekend. And if we are then what? Are you guys going to say sorry?
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Yea and we missed field goals and threw the ball on the 1. You tell them. Oh wait, had that kid not fumbled going in it would have been a blow out. Either way, they lost on a very well executed offensive play and a poorly executed defensive play. Is there an asterisk on that game?
 
#41
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Kelley_VFL said:
The play was bs. Obviously not the only reason we lost. But I do think if we get that game to OT we win. If we beat GA then what? Still calling for his head? Serious question. Because if we can beat GA then we can beat LSU. Then what?
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Ok ok ask you then what?
This team can absolutely beat anyone
Could have last year
And the year before could have had at least 2 more "big game" wins
The issue isn't tn beats uga and everyone happy
They absolutely can beat uga but the issue is they probably won't bc the head man is in their way
Yes he got them here (recruiting) but he's also what's in their way from joining the elites.

Beating uga won't change that
Look at his body of work
He isn't good enough
Beating uga won't change that
 
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Give Him 6 said:
No it is not the same. We threw the ball 6 times inside the 10. Any other year he would have ran it 6 times and everybody would have bashed him for running the footall. The answer isnt in a play call or a coaching decision. Just win and everybody will shut up. When you lose I dont care what you do, people are going to gripe until no end. You dont here a single person talking about how Florida let 20 seconds run off the clock before they called a timeout at the end of the game do you, which was absolutely stupid! Why? Because they won!
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Well butch when are you gonna start winning?
 
#43
#43
Wylo said:
It's 5 years of the same mistakes, same mismanagement, same excuses.

It's not one loss to Florida. It's the 3 loses to the worst gators teams that any of us have ever seen.

Butch needs to go, like yesterday.
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Because sooner or later they'll get better again and we're stuck trying to tread water
 
#44
#44
Give Him 6 said:
No it is not the same. We threw the ball 6 times inside the 10. Any other year he would have ran it 6 times and everybody would have bashed him for running the footall. The answer isnt in a play call or a coaching decision. Just win and everybody will shut up. When you lose I dont care what you do, people are going to gripe until no end. You dont here a single person talking about how Florida let 20 seconds run off the clock before they called a timeout at the end of the game do you, which was absolutely stupid! Why? Because they won!
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I have idea what you are talking about? Whats not the same?
 
#45
#45
igotworms said:
Ok ok ask you then what?
This team can absolutely beat anyone
Could have last year
And the year before could have had at least 2 more "big game" wins
The issue isn't tn beats uga and everyone happy
They absolutely can beat uga but the issue is they probably won't bc the head man is in their way
Yes he got them here (recruiting) but he's also what's in their way from joining the elites.

Beating uga won't change that
Look at his body of work
He isn't good enough
Beating uga won't change that
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You are wrong. Its plain and simple a win is a win. There is no such thing as a bad win. Its only a problem because we anticipate that they can't continue to win this way. If we won every game like the one we played Saturday and were national champions you would be furious right? NO. But because you don't see us beating better teams because we struggle against weaker teams that makes it a problem. Beating UGA will change that my friend. If we beat UGA and are 4-1 the fire butch crap is OVER. For at least a week! haha
 
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