Tony Snow Dies

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volsforever27 said:
The AP apparently took a shot at him in his obit. I'm paraphrasing, but it was along the lines of a popular likeable guy, even though he didn't always have the facts straight. That's low.
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Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.
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Its very easy to make factual errors when you are not given facts.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.
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Let's hope they make the same statement for Dan Rather
 
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TennNC said:
Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.
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BS. He didn't study the daily briefings as much as some would had liked, but the guy knew what he was talking about, and was good at his job. It was just another typical liberal piece. I would call it a subtle little dig, but it wasn't even subtle.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, you might be saying that it's inappropriate to point out someone's shortcomings after they pass away, and I understand that. But even Snow acknowledged he made factual errors as press secretary that even he had to go back and correct - it was just part of the way people viewed him, reporters especially. Obits typically favor the positive, but newspapers have a duty to try to be somewhat objective in them as well. Otherwise they'd be eulogies.
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compare the AP's obit of Tony Snow to their treatment of Tim Russert then come back with your line about pointing out someone's shortcomings.
 
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MG1968 said:
compare the AP's obit of Tony Snow to their treatment of Tim Russert then come back with your line about pointing out someone's shortcomings.
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Sorry, I don't remember reading the AP's obit for TR. Can you point me to it? And which of Tim Russert's shortcomings as it relates to his profession do you think were omitted?
 
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KB5252 said:
Would you consider Snow's and Rather's missteps comparable?
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I'm certainly not one to make the call, but I'll take a shot at it:

They both had factual errors (e.g. - what Bush said in front of the Mission Accomplished banner, saying Obama had voted "present" 160 times in the US Senate when he hadn't voted "present" even once - even though that came after his WH job; Rather messing up W's nat'l guard record), and both errors were in relation to the president. It's both of their jobs to "report" the facts. Now, Snow has a right to present it in terms of the WH's view, of course, and Rather needs to just present the facts and be as objective as possible.

That said, I think Rather's were more damaging and egregious. I don't think Snow intentionally got some things wrong - I don't know, maybe bc he had more fun with the Press Secy position he took more liberties with how briefings were covered, but he still should have the facts straight.

Rather took a risky move, and it cost him his job. Snow could fudge it a bit, as long as it was in the best interest of the president and the administration.
 
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TennNC said:
I'm certainly not one to make the call, but I'll take a shot at it:

They both had factual errors (e.g. - what Bush said in front of the Mission Accomplished banner, saying Obama had voted "present" 160 times in the US Senate when he hadn't voted "present" even once - even though that came after his WH job; Rather messing up W's nat'l guard record), and both errors were in relation to the president. It's both of their jobs to "report" the facts. Now, Snow has a right to present it in terms of the WH's view, of course, and Rather needs to just present the facts and be as objective as possible.

That said, I think Rather's were more damaging and egregious. I don't think Snow intentionally got some things wrong - I don't know, maybe bc he had more fun with the Press Secy position he took more liberties with how briefings were covered, but he still should have the facts straight.

Rather took a risky move, and it cost him his job. Snow could fudge it a bit, as long as it was in the best interest of the president and the administration.
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We are on the same page. Rather ran with it even after questions were raised about it's authenticity. Snow was just doing his job fielding questions and answering from talking points but mostly from recall. Bottom line one was a researched piece, Snow's were more off the cuff due to his nature.
 
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This crap is so old, if you are right of center you should burn in hell because you are scum of the earth and if you are left of center you should be praised because you crap doesn't stink!

I hold out faith people will wake up and not take this crap any more!
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
This crap is so old, if you are right of center you should burn in hell because you are scum of the earth and if you are left of center you should be praised because you crap doesn't stink!

I hold out faith people will wake up and not take this crap any more!
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Unfortunately, I don't think that generation has been born yet.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
This crap is so old, if you are right of center you should burn in hell because you are scum of the earth and if you are left of center you should be praised because you crap doesn't stink!

I hold out faith people will wake up and not take this crap any more!
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This is BS and you know it. According to whom? Are you telling me people on the right don't turn down their noses at people on the left? It works both ways - and yes, in the "media" as well.

To say that AP obit was a serious, unfair dig at Snow is a major stretch at best - it was a footnote in an otherwise positive account of a man who spent the latter portion of his career in a position that is at least somewhat controversial and one-sided by nature (he was a GOP party guy who represented the president). And the obit probably was written by a reporter who witnessed a lot of his actions face-to-face. If you think it was horrible, then ban AP and stick to sources that tell you what you want to hear.

I think we all need to get over our indignation that whoever doesn't agree with us is our arch enemy who's out to get us.
 
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TennNC said:
This is BS and you know it. According to whom? Are you telling me people on the right don't turn down their noses at people on the left? It works both ways - and yes, in the "media" as well.

To say that AP obit was a serious, unfair dig at Snow is a major stretch at best - it was a footnote in an otherwise positive account of a man who spent the latter portion of his career in a position that is at least somewhat controversial and one-sided by nature (he was a GOP party guy who represented the president). And the obit probably was written by a reporter who witnessed a lot of his actions face-to-face. If you think it was horrible, then ban AP and stick to sources that tell you what you want to hear.

I think we all need to get over our indignation that whoever doesn't agree with us is our arch enemy who's out to get us.
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Where have you been?

Both sides are scum buckets!

Be fair with Snow and Russert.......... Why does Russert walk on water? Cause he didn't work for Bush?
 
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TennNC said:
This is BS and you know it. According to whom? Are you telling me people on the right don't turn down their noses at people on the left? It works both ways - and yes, in the "media" as well.

To say that AP obit was a serious, unfair dig at Snow is a major stretch at best - it was a footnote in an otherwise positive account of a man who spent the latter portion of his career in a position that is at least somewhat controversial and one-sided by nature (he was a GOP party guy who represented the president). And the obit probably was written by a reporter who witnessed a lot of his actions face-to-face. If you think it was horrible, then ban AP and stick to sources that tell you what you want to hear.

I think we all need to get over our indignation that whoever doesn't agree with us is our arch enemy who's out to get us.
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Saying he screwed up isn't a footnote, it's a parting shot. That's the BS. It all goes back to the lib bias that the media has, but I'm sure I'm just being dramatic.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Where have you been?

Both sides are scum buckets!

Be fair with Snow and Russert.......... Why does Russert walk on water? Cause he didn't work for Bush?
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Where did I say Russert walked on water?

I asked for those lambasting the obit writers for being unfair to please point out what shortcoming in TR's profession they omitted. I have yet to receive an answer.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Saying he screwed up isn't a footnote, it's a parting shot. That's the BS. It all goes back to the lib bias that the media has, but I'm sure I'm just being dramatic.
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It sounds to me like you are. And perhaps too defensive.

Here's the quote you quoted:

"With a 1) quick-from-the-lip repartee, 2) broadcaster's good looks and a 3) relentlessly bright outlook - 4) if not always a command of the facts - 5) he became a popular figure around the country 6) to the delight of his White House bosses."

In this quote, which you and others deem as an example of the liberal media giving a conservative figure a parting shot and saying he "screwed up," you have 6 points, 5 of which are overwhelmingly positive.

The other simply states that he sometimes didn't have a command of the facts, which a) is the job of the WHPS to have the facts he or she is going to be discussing, and b) is something Snow even acknowledged about his job as WHPS.
 
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TennNC said:
It sounds to me like you are. And perhaps too defensive.

Here's the quote you quoted:

"With a 1) quick-from-the-lip repartee, 2) broadcaster's good looks and a 3) relentlessly bright outlook - 4) if not always a command of the facts - 5) he became a popular figure around the country 6) to the delight of his White House bosses."

In this quote, which you and others deem as an example of the liberal media giving a conservative figure a parting shot and saying he "screwed up," you have 6 points, 5 of which are overwhelmingly positive.

The other simply states that he sometimes didn't have a command of the facts, which a) is the job of the WHPS to have the facts he or she is going to be discussing, and b) is something Snow even acknowledged about his job as WHPS.
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There was no call for it, and it was basically a cheap shot. You can try to justify it. So you think Russert never made a mistake? Most conservatives knew the way he leaned, but I only saw respect and admiration for him. I'm not being defensive, just pointing out the obvious. You act like because everything that was said wasn't a complete bash of the man that the point is null, but that's you.
 
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volsforever27 said:
There was no call for it, and it was basically a cheap shot. You can try to justify it. So you think Russert never made a mistake? Most conservatives knew the way he leaned, but I only saw respect and admiration for him. I'm not being defensive, just pointing out the obvious. You act like because everything that was said wasn't a complete bash of the man that the point is null, but that's you.
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The media (and everyone who works in the media) hates hard-working conservatives, Republicans, and God-fearing Americans and everything they stand for. They favor anyone who is left of center and paint them in a glowing light. They take unfair digs at anyone who is right of center and paint them as evildoers. They're biased against anything conservative and will try to distort the truth to tear down conservative principles. Anything that comes out of their mouths or laptops, rest assured, is unfair and biased toward liberal interests.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are always respectful of their counterparts -- they never distort the facts to paint their enemies in a negative light, but simply use facts to tell the truth. They constantly battle against the liberal media and have to work hard to overcome this bias.

Is that what you want to hear?
 
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TennNC said:
The media (and everyone who works in the media) hates hard-working conservatives, Republicans, and God-fearing Americans and everything they stand for. They favor anyone who is left of center and paint them in a glowing light. They take unfair digs at anyone who is right of center and paint them as evildoers. They're biased against anything conservative and will try to distort the truth to tear down conservative principles. Anything that comes out of their mouths or laptops, rest assured, is unfair and biased toward liberal interests.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are always respectful of their counterparts -- they never distort the facts to paint their enemies in a negative light, but simply use facts to tell the truth. They constantly battle against the liberal media and have to work hard to overcome this bias.

Is that what you want to hear?
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Why? Both are lies.........

Perhaps I am wrong, but death should be a celebration of the person's life but if you work for Bush you are a son of a b#$ch!
 
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I haven't read the thread, don't really need to. I'll just say this about Tony Snow.

His politics and his style as press secretary really annoyed me. I found him condescending, arrogant, and almost always defending the indefensible (not because all things in the Bush W.H. are indefensible, but because the press tended to focus on and to question him at length about those policy decisions that were particularly ill-founded).

But since he passed away, I've been truly impressed by the commentary that has come out about him as a person. He was apparently witty and down-to-Earth and played in a rock band and people enjoyed him once they got away from the politics of things. Surely, in the grander scheme of things, he was way too young to die, even if I did not like his politics or the way he did his job.

R.I.P.
 
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TennNC said:
The media (and everyone who works in the media) hates hard-working conservatives, Republicans, and God-fearing Americans and everything they stand for. They favor anyone who is left of center and paint them in a glowing light. They take unfair digs at anyone who is right of center and paint them as evildoers. They're biased against anything conservative and will try to distort the truth to tear down conservative principles. Anything that comes out of their mouths or laptops, rest assured, is unfair and biased toward liberal interests.

Conservatives, on the other hand, are always respectful of their counterparts -- they never distort the facts to paint their enemies in a negative light, but simply use facts to tell the truth. They constantly battle against the liberal media and have to work hard to overcome this bias.

Is that what you want to hear?
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No, whenever a criticism (which was unwarranted) is leveled at someone who was conservative and has recently passed is just the media "doing their job" right?

The meida is 80% liberal. (http://http://www.mediaresearch.org/SpecialReports/2004/report063004_p1.asp)

Please make more posts acting like I'm exaggerting their overwhelming bias... it reflects more on you than me. For the record, if the media wasn't so obviously biased, people that you can't stand like Rush, hannity etc would be out of a job.

For the last time, it was a cheap shot at a decent human being. I'm not saying like his politics, just show some respect. I didn't hear conservatives say anything even slightly negative when Peter Jennings and Tim Russert passed. But you're right, I'm blowing it out of proportion, and I have no right to say anything. I better get used to that idea when socialism takes over, right?
 
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