Tony Robinson

#76
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Gramps said:
That is definitely the top 4 I have watched play. I would change the list.
My list is simply the best college qb.

1 Shuler
2 Robinson
3 Manning
4 Holloway.
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you people are leaving off casey clausen. only thing casey didn't get was sec title or he would have been hailed better than peyton.
 
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Gramps said:
That is definitely the top 4 I have watched play. I would change the list.
My list is simply the best college qb.

1 Shuler
2 Robinson
3 Manning
4 Holloway.
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I think you're senile gramps. Any list without PM at the top is hilarious.

Also, the mystique around TRob and Holloway is better than the actual results. Statistically, they aren't even close to Clausen, Ainge, Tee or even Bray.

Even if you project out TRobs numbers for a whole 1985 season they aren't spectacular.

Dickey came in and actually played better.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I think you're senile gramps. Any list without PM at the top is hilarious.

Also, the mystique around TRob and Holloway is better than the actual results. Statistically, they aren't even close to Clausen, Ainge, Tee or even Bray.

Even if you project out TRobs numbers for a whole 1985 season they aren't spectacular.

Dickey came in and actually played better.
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Speaking of senile and irrational...how you doing Murph? :wink2:
 
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Dickey most definitely played smarter football than Tony. By that, I mean specifically that he played mistake-free football. He didn't possess Robinson's physical talent, so he didn't try to force the football into tight "windows" the way that Tony did. Like virtually every gunslinger, from Favre to Bray, Robinson threw unnecessary interceptions because of the extreme confidence that he had in the power of his throwing arm. On the flip side, Dickey had the advantage of playing against the softer underbelly of the schedule, and that fattened his statistical productivity. There is no question that we were a more explosive offensive football team with Tony Robinson at quarterback; there also is little doubt that we became a better football team after Robinson's injury. In the second half of the '85 season, the defense played with a consistency and intensity that had been sorely lacking earlier in the year. Personally, I believe that the team subconsciously relied on Tony's golden arm too much. When he went down, they had to pull together and, to his credit, Dickey played superbly down the stretch. He was, however, the epitome of a game manager.

Incidentally, making statistical comparisons between Holloway and Robinson vs. 21st-century UT quarterbacks is somewhat akin to comparing apples and oranges. Virtually nobody in the 1970s, the era of the wishbone, or the early 1980s was throwing the ball as much as they are today. If you want to talk about pure statistical productivity, however, let's go back a bit farther to 1966, when Dewey Warren became, I believe, the only Tennessee quarterback to ever lead the nation in passing efficiency. He was 136-229-7 for 1716 yards and 18 touchdowns. That was only two years after Daryl's father had successfully navigated the transition from the single-wing to a then-modern T-formation passing attack.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Dickey most definitely played smarter football than Tony. By that, I mean specifically that he played mistake-free football. He didn't possess Robinson's physical talent, so he didn't try to force the football into tight "windows" the way that Tony did. Like virtually every gunslinger, from Favre to Bray, Robinson threw unnecessary interceptions because of the extreme confidence that he had in the power of his throwing arm. On the flip side, Dickey had the advantage of playing against the softer underbelly of the schedule, and that fattened his statistical productivity. There is no question that we were a more explosive offensive football team with Tony Robinson at quarterback; there also is little doubt that we became a better football team after Robinson's injury. In the second half of the '85 season, the defense played with a consistency and intensity that had been sorely lacking earlier in the year. Personally, I believe that the team subconsciously relied on Tony's golden arm too much. When he went down, they had to pull together and, to his credit, Dickey played superbly down the stretch. He was, however, the epitome of a game manager.

Incidentally, making statistical comparisons between Holloway and Robinson vs. 21st-century UT quarterbacks is somewhat akin to comparing apples and oranges. Virtually nobody in the 1970s, the era of the wishbone, or the early 1980s was throwing the ball as much as they are today. If you want to talk about pure statistical productivity, however, let's go back a bit farther to 1966, when Dewey Warren became, I believe, the only Tennessee quarterback to ever lead the nation in passing efficiency. He was 136-229-7 for 1716 yards and 18 touchdowns. That was only two years after Daryl's father had successfully navigated the transition from the single-wing to a then-modern T-formation passing attack.
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Glad you mentioned Dewey. He and Bobby Scott played in the same era as Condredge. They had much better careers than Holloway and get no recognition.

Yes, I'm aware of the different eras and styles of football. I still think that TRob and CH legends are bigger than their careers
 
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MurphyVol said:
Glad you mentioned Dewey. He and Bobby Scott played in the same era as Condredge. They had much better careers than Holloway and get no recognition.

Yes, I'm aware of the different eras and styles of football. I still think that TRob and CH legends are bigger than their careers
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Yeah, both Dewey and Bobby were great. But its hard to establish a reputation throwing the ball 15 times
a game. Condredge made spectacular plays and gave us exciting finishes. Without question the best athlete
we've ever had at the position. Not sure where I'd rank him on an all time list.
 
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jps2194 said:
My son and I were bored after his doctor's appointment the other day and decided to drive by campus and go in the practice facility. There was an older gentlemen throwing a football at the goal post from about 50 yards and sprinting to pick it up and do it again. My son threw it back and started catching passes with him not realizing all along it was Tony Robinson. Tony and my son played catch for about 10 minutes - Tony still has it.

Tony went up to my son after they finished throwing and introduced himself. Unfortunately, I was not paying any attention at all (girls soccer team was in there) and didn't realize it was Tony until my son told me. Duh. Anyway, it was cool to see Tony throwing some passes to my son.
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You can just walk into the practice facility?
 
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MurphyVol said:
Glad you mentioned Dewey. He and Bobby Scott played in the same era as Condredge. They had much better careers than Holloway and get no recognition.

Yes, I'm aware of the different eras and styles of football. I still think that TRob and CH legends are bigger than their careers
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To be fair to all three, both Dewey and Bobby played on better overall teams than Condredge did. The talent pool went down slowly but surely over the course of Holloway's career, courtesy of Battle's poor recruiting, and Condredge had to shoulder more and more individual responsibility for the success or failure of our team.

As to reputation vis-à-vis onfield performance, some people are simply more impressed by flash than substance. I don't agree with that perspective, but ESPN's emphasis on highlight reel plays has certainly contributed to it. Condredge had one play against Georgia Tech in which it was alleged that every single Yellow Jacket had a shot at him, but nobody could bring him down. In the documentary about Holloway, Lester McClain characterized the play by saying, "Only in a cartoon can something like that happen." I was at the '74 Clemson game and I believe, to this day, that the winning 2-point conversion pass that Condredge threw to Larry Sievers was one of the most extraordinary single plays that I have ever seen by a Tennessee player. Unfortunately, the extraordinary often sears itself into the human memory in a more indelible manner than perception of an overall career.

With respect to Tony, we also have to remember that he really only played about one and a half seasons at Tennessee. We might never have seen him in a Tennessee uniform if Alan Cockrell hadn't decided to enter the baseball draft after his junior season. I believe, however, that Coach Majors would say unequivocally that Tony Robinson was the most talented quarterback that he ever coached.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
To be fair to all three, both Dewey and Bobby played on better overall teams than Condredge did. The talent pool went down slowly but surely over the course of Holloway's career, courtesy of Battle's poor recruiting, and Condredge had to shoulder more and more individual responsibility for the success or failure of our team.

As to reputation vis-à-vis onfield performance, some people are simply more impressed by flash than substance. I don't agree with that perspective, but ESPN's emphasis on highlight reel plays has certainly contributed to it. Condredge had one play against Georgia Tech in which it was alleged that every single Yellow Jacket had a shot at him, but nobody could bring him down. In the documentary about Holloway, Lester McClain characterized the play by saying, "Only in a cartoon can something like that happen." I was at the '74 Clemson game and I believe, to this day, that the winning 2-point conversion pass that Condredge threw to Larry Sievers was one of the most extraordinary single plays that I have ever seen by a Tennessee player. Unfortunately, the extraordinary often sears itself into the human memory in a more indelible manner than perception of an overall career.

With respect to Tony, we also have to remember that he really only played about one and a half seasons at Tennessee. We might never have seen him in a Tennessee uniform if Alan Cockrell hadn't decided to enter the baseball draft after his junior season. I believe, however, that Coach Majors would say unequivocally that Tony Robinson was the most talented quarterback that he ever coached.
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Yes to all the above.

Condredge's highlight game was the Freshman game against Notre Dame. I'd give anything for a tape
of that contest. A UT blowout vs. 18 Parade All Americans that showcased everything Condredge
had in his arsenal.
 
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#86
HoptownVol said:
Because its not true. Myths that are based on known untruths should be rejected, thats why.

Keep passing this down, just a disservice to future generations. This was easily debunked.
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We must protect future generations from this type of careless, destructive propaganda, people. We have NO idea what kind of harm this could do to Keanu Reaves OR western civilization.

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Relax Hoptown
 
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Guyute said:
We must protect future generations from this type of careless, destructive propaganda, people. We have NO idea what kind of harm this could do to Keanu Reaves OR western civilization.

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Relax Hoptown
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I am relaxed. Its total BS, but if you want to proliferate this nonsense that is so easily refuted be my guest.
 
#88
#88
MurphyVol said:
85 numbers

TRob. 1246 yards, 8TD, 7 INT. 145 QBR

Dickey 1161 yds, 10TD, 1 Int, 163 QBR
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Dickey performed admirably down the stretch and I'm not taking anything away from Dickey. Without TRob starting during the toughest part of the schedule there would have never been the romp over the Canes.
 
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ruger1234 said:
Dickey performed admirably down the stretch and I'm not taking anything away from Dickey. Without TRob starting during the toughest part of the schedule there would have never been the romp over the Canes.
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And with Tony Robinson we would have beaten Georgia Tech at home in Dickey's first start instead of only scoring 6 points in a tie. Majors didn't show much confidence in Dickey that night and we had a very conservative game plan.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
And with Tony Robinson we would have beaten Georgia Tech at home in Dickey's first start instead of only scoring 6 points in a tie. Majors didn't show much confidence in Dickey that night and we had a very conservative game plan.
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Yeah, that would have been an easy win with Tony. Johnny had a habit of doing that on occasion.
Thank god Reveiz saved our bacon. For us to finish #4 with that record is a testament to the fact
that there wasn't a better team in the country at the end of the season than UT.
 
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He was the first Vol I ever met. the season he was injured,later in the season,he was standing outside the library on crutches after a game. I was 12 years old or so and met Mikey Mantle the same year at a card show and i wasnt nearly as excited
 
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MurphyVol said:
Think about this from the 1985 stat vault:

TRob. 1246 yards, 8TD, 7 INT. 145 QBR

Dickey 1161 yds, 10TD, 1 Int, 163 QBR
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Dickey dinked and dunked. T-Rob heaved the passes deep.

Great example was the TD pass to McGee in the 1986 Sugar Bowl. Dickey under threw the ball at least 5 yards (and not on purpose). McGee stopped, the defenders didn't. McGee put on a move and then walked into the endzone.

Stats can really skew reality.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Dickey dinked and dunked. T-Rob heaved the passes deep.

Great example was the TD pass to McGee in the 1986 Sugar Bowl. Dickey under threw the ball at least 5 yards (and not on purpose). McGee stopped, the defenders didn't. McGee put on a move and then walked into the endzone.

Stats can really skew reality.
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The only touchdown McGee scored in the '86 Sugar Bowl was on a fumble recovery in the end zone following a run by Jeff Powell. See 1986 Game Recap / Allstate Sugar Bowl.

Your description sounds a good bit like the play that broke open a 6-0 halftime lead against Kentucky and paved the way for an eventual 42-0 rout. The pass covered 37 yards for the touchdown but Tim, as you said, had to come back to it, leaped high in the air, came down with the ball, put a fake on the Kentucky defender and then dived into the endzone. Is this the play you are thinking of? Fast-forward to the 56:50 mark of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhaqzYllBnA.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Dickey dinked and dunked. T-Rob heaved the passes deep.

Great example was the TD pass to McGee in the 1986 Sugar Bowl. Dickey under threw the ball at least 5 yards (and not on purpose). McGee stopped, the defenders didn't. McGee put on a move and then walked into the endzone.

Stats can really skew reality.
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Especially stats that didn't happen, lol, I kid, I kid. You had me worried about going senile. Thought I had the Sugar Bowl memorized.
 
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Majors was in Vol Bookstore signing autographs till 2 PM. At 2 he stood up and asked for quiet. The bookstore quieted down and Johnny told the story of T Rob's game against Auburn. He said T Rob was the most talented QB he ever coached and he thought possibly the best ever at UT. T Rob was right there and they hugged. Majors said T Rob was finishing his degree and the place erupted in applause. Lucky I was in middle of check out when this occurred Saturday. Then Majors said he would sign a few more things for the people who had been in line for a long while. Great man.
 
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HoptownVol said:
No it wasnt, thats UT fans projecting Robinson into the story. And there is nothing on IMDB to support what
you claim, and we all know fans can edit Wikipedia to their liking.

There was a time when we all believed that Animal House was based on Tennessee Tech, then that
was debunked. You've been debunked too. Sorry.
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Well...when they had the 'court'...there WAS the grand ole flag of Tennessee behind Dean Wormer on one side...the US flag on the other side I think..
 
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dd4vols said:
Well...when they had the 'court'...there WAS the grand ole flag of Tennessee behind Dean Wormer on one side...the US flag on the other side I think..
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Yes, thats true. Thats what started the wild tale about 2 writers from Lampoon being Tech grads, writing
the story based on their adventures in Cookeville, and the road trip was allegedly to MTSU. LOL

The state flag was just a convenient prop it turns out.

Oh BTW, on Animal House..... about 40 of us from my fraternity went to see it out on Kingston Pike
when it was released. We all walked out en masse about half way through because it was so far below
UT hellraising standards back then. True story. :eek:lol:
 
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I honestly feel Tony was the most talented QB to ever play at UT. I totally agree with Coach Majors. I loved watching him play and he has always been one of my favorite Vols! It really sucks how bama took him out with that cheap shot. I have my copy of "The Tennessee Waltz" SI. I would love to meet Tony and have him autograph it!
 
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