Today's scrimmage

[BJSforVols]

I'll believe Swain over a supposed insider especially after the last few coaching searches. After them I don't believe in any insiders

Agreed! Larry just repeats other insiders/media reports and adds a twist with his opinion. He's been on the boards forever but has never really been an insider.

 

[KeyVol14]

JG has been on this team for three years and nobody has ever mentioned him as a leader of men and he’s had very few bright moments. Only way he’s our starter is if they hand it to him and I don’t see this staff doing anything close to that.

Are u serious. The only reason QD started last year was because he was the upperclassmen. Time after time Butch always chose seniority over talent. Colton jumper over DK jr, Justin Worley over Dobbs, Hurd over kamara, and QD over JG. The team gave up after the Florida loss last year

 

[sjt18]

It is hateful because you have no justification for this.

You mean other than his play, the sacks, statements by coaches that they had to reduce the offense for him to run it, his being beaten out once already by someone who was not as physically talented as him.... You mean other than all those facts.

Yeah. There's more than enough justification for it. He's not the first physically talented QB who was held back by the non-physical part of being a QB.

But since you are still in denial... was QD more physically talented than JG? Is KC? Is KC even real close? No. On physical talent he would have won the job out right both times... and this year there wouldn't have been any façade of a competition since he's the returning starter.

How do you figure the less accurate guy who has a worse quarterback rating while having more years playing is some way great at the mental aspects but the better qb is not?

Add 20 incompletions to reduce those 26 snaps to 6... recalculate the QBR... then we can talk.

 

[sjt18]

Are u serious. The only reason QD started last year was because he was the upperclassmen. Time after time Butch always chose seniority over talent. Colton jumper over DK jr, Justin Worley over Dobbs, Hurd over kamara, and QD over JG. The team gave up after the Florida loss last year

Uh, sorry... but no. None other than John Kelly said that QD had beaten JG out. I'm as critical of Jones as anyone but he had already started a younger Dobbs ahead of Peterman. If anything... he favored JG because of his physical talent.

And yeah... QD was dating Jones' goddaughter or something like that... and Jones had been friends with JG's father since before JG was born.

 

[bigdaddy]

You think WV is wondering who the QB is going to be also? I hope so and so does the whole Tenn. Staff!

This one cracks me up. Their game plan won’t change at all for either QB

 

[KeyVol14]

Uh, sorry... but no. None other than John Kelly said that QD had beaten JG out. I'm as critical of Jones as anyone but he had already started a younger Dobbs ahead of Peterman. If anything... he favored JG because of his physical talent.

And yeah... QD was dating Jones' goddaughter or something like that... and Jones had been friends with JG's father since before JG was born.

Peterman has his chance in 2013 against FL played terrible, and he also had Riley Ferguson on the roster at that time. But yet he went with Worley the remaining of the year until he got hurt. He always favored the upperclassmen and everyone else could see that. I’m not trying to be biased here but it was plain as day.

 

[sjt18]

Funny how for JG supporters... insiders can't be insiders if they don't say what they want to hear. There's no chance Larry had lunch with people connected to the program this week since he didn't declare JG the starter.

I still don't "know" who is leading. I don't claim to know anything other than both guys have weaknesses that need to be overcome... My amazement is at those who are certain of so much simply because they dismiss things about "their guy" that they don't want to admit.

 

[butchna]

For sure.You and I have both been on here a few years.We have certainly seen our share of would be insiders.That being said you know LWS is as close to being a insider as we have on here.

Never doubted his credentials. By his own admission he’s not intrinsically connected anymore. A lot of what he issues lately is as inside as you and I.

 

[sjt18]

Peterman has his chance in 2013 against FL played terrible, and he also had Riley Ferguson on the roster at that time. But yet he went with Worley the remaining of the year until he got hurt. He always favored the upperclassmen and everyone else could see that. I’m not trying to be biased here but it was plain as day.

But you are biased here. Larry is a guy who has been around the program long enough to apparently have some pretty good ties to the current AD. He hasn't posted here in a while that I've seen and really has no reason to introduce anything to this conversation that he doesn't believe to be true. He said himself that he had lunch with people close to the team this week and they told him what he said. Could they be wrong? Maybe. Could they be lying? Sure. Could things change this week? Obviously. But Larry's credibility is longer than those you seem to be trusting. In an unknown situation with conflicting reports and opinions... what he said is weighty.

 

[Sarms58]

I hope they both play so well the coaches struggle to pick s starter.

 

[sjt18]

Never doubted his credentials. By his own admission he’s not intrinsically connected anymore. A lot of what he issues lately is as inside as you and I.

I asked him directly if it were just his opinion or if he had a source. He stated clearly back that it wasn't his opinion but came from someone who would know. TIFWIW.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Fulmer’s the AD. Seriously think he’s blabbing to his buddy about the starting QB spot? If Larry’s truly his buddy, he doesn’t even ask. And if this is Fulmer’s new modus operandi, I’ll reissue what I posted about Pruitt and staff if they actually promised Chryst the starting spot without a competition...we hired the wrong guys!

Some people add 1 and 2 and get 4. The discussion about the QB starter follows the some format.

 

[butchna]

Funny how for JG supporters... insiders can't be insiders if they don't say what they want to hear. There's no chance Larry had lunch with people connected to the program this week since he didn't declare JG the starter.

I still don't "know" who is leading. I don't claim to know anything other than both guys have weaknesses that need to be overcome... My amazement is at those who are certain of so much simply because they dismiss things about "their guy" that they don't want to admit.

I think downplaying the insider cred of professionals who are paid to gather information for tidbits from a disgruntled former donor overheard while throwing in for Po Boys is it’s own biased disengenuity.

 

[butchna]

I asked him directly if it were just his opinion or if he had a source. He stated clearly back that it wasn't his opinion but came from someone who would know. TIFWIW.

And then other answers to other questions reveal he hasn’t visited Knoxville since 2015. These “connected” guys? Why aren’t they on campus? Could they be other bitter donors talking out their azz?

 

[butchna]

Some people add 1 and 2 and get 4. The discussion about the QB starter follows the some format.

So the missing quotient could be alcohol?

 

[sjt18]

I think downplaying the insider cred of professionals who are paid to gather information for tidbits from a disgruntled former donor overheard while throwing in for Po Boys is it’s own biased disengenuity.

OK?

When Pruitt announces then we'll get to see if a few paid professionals declaring the race over were right or if Larry and a smaller group of paid professionals were right.

I HOPE JG has overcome his issues and is the starter. I've watched a couple of full games from KC last year. At best he looks like a game manager who can make enough throws to not be a liability. At worst... he'll throw up similar ducks and have as many INT's as JG had sacks.

 

[KeyVol14]

But you are biased here. Larry is a guy who has been around the program long enough to apparently have some pretty good ties to the current AD. He hasn't posted here in a while that I've seen and really has no reason to introduce anything to this conversation that he doesn't believe to be true. He said himself that he had lunch with people close to the team this week and they told him what he said. Could they be wrong? Maybe. Could they be lying? Sure. Could things change this week? Obviously. But Larry's credibility is longer than those you seem to be trusting. In an unknown situation with conflicting reports and opinions... what he said is weighty.

I know LWS is a credible guy I’m not disputing that but for all we know the information he got could be there unbiased opinions on the QB battle. I feel a lot of people on here are taking any source of information they can get in regards to it being negative on JGs performance and running with it as being the normal per say. The knock on guarantano last year was holding onto the ball long. You can fix that with coaching. His physical attributes have never been in question. Chryst in the other hand was an established player with a veteran offense line and a Heisman contender running back at his disposal and still got beat out by a true freshman. I think that speaks louder in volume then JG taking a sack every or two every game since the line was absolutely trash and that has an effect on the QB. That’s my opinion thought

 

[sjt18]

And then other answers to other questions reveal he hasn’t visited Knoxville since 2015. These “connected” guys? Why aren’t they on campus? Could they be other bitter donors talking out their azz?

Don't know. He didn't say and probably won't. For that matter... it could be Fulmer himself on AD business. There's actually been enough turnover in the AD since Larry was well plugged in that the list of who it could be isn't very long. So we're almost to the point of questioning his honesty rather than his credibility. He wasn't ambiguous.

 

[sjt18]

I know LWS is a credible guy I’m not disputing that but for all we know the information he got could be there unbiased opinions on the QB battle. I feel a lot of people on here are taking any source of information they can get in regards to it being negative on JGs performance and running with it as being the normal per say. The knock on guarantano last year was holding onto the ball long. You can fix that with coaching. His physical attributes have never been in question. Chryst in the other hand was an established player with a veteran offense line and a Housman contender running back at his disposal and still got beat out by a true freshman. I think that speaks louder in volume then JG taking a sack every or two every game since the line was absolutely trash and that has an effect on the QB. That’s my opinion thought

Similar to what I've said except that both guys' problems go deeper than that. The staff last year was pretty open about the fact that they had to reduce the playbook for a guy mid-way through his second season in a single offensive scheme. They protected him from having to make reads. He was behind where he should have been at that point.... and then was confronted with a different system. That system based on what Helton did at USC and WKU depends on the QB being able to make pre-snap reads and adjustments then quickly make post snap reads. Holding the ball isn't the base problem. It is a symptom of the reads not being second nature.

If you haven't, you should watch some of KC's games from last year. They aren't very comforting though. He's a "game manager"... who wasn't an excellent game manager from what I saw. His decisions were suspect at times also. He doesn't have great arm strength and still has a propensity to get "wild" at times with the ball. The Oregon St game was awful. USC game was somewhat more promising but he still got away with some risky throws. Difference being that Love played in the USC game but not the OSU game. He was their "easy button".

TBH, the performance of both guys was impacted by coaching philosophy and the talent around them. Stanford isn't built to operate without that feature back... and really needs two. Their receivers and TE's are blockers first. No elite running back... they become a tank without a main gun. JG obviously didn't have a great OL around him which exposed his decision making and holding the ball even more.

Contrary to k-town's delusions... I'm not "anti" either guy. The mental part being equal or even close... I'd love to see JG slinging the ball around. He's fun to watch when he throws it. I've compared him to Bray who I enjoyed watching a lot. I'm just a trying to read the tea leaves. Last year I told k-town to his great anger that QD had won the job at about this point in the process. All of the indicators suggested he left the spring with a lead and widened that lead in August up to the point when some like John Kelly let the cat out of the bag. This year. JG left spring with a clear lead.... actually he would have been the starter outright over those in spring. But Pruitt was really determined to have a grad transfer to look at. Some have said that's because of the back up situation but that would require Pruitt to lie to KC about having a chance to start which he's publicly affirmed several times.

Again... I'm not claiming to know. JG scares me because of weaknesses we have seen. KC scares me because I'm just not sure he has the physical talent to play in the SEC (or Pac12 for that matter).

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Previously. How about since he declared the program “never relevant again” and retired to concentrate on his golf game?

Yes. LWS was apparently very reliable for inside info up to about the time I got here. Then he got frustrated with UT's leadership, and backed far away from the program. Basically, broke contact from the way he described it.

This is all from Larry himself, mind.

And he continued saying dismissive things about UT's leadership as recently as a month or two ago; it certainly did not sound like he has reestablished contact.

I think now, today, these past couple of years, Larry's opinion is nothing more or less than Larry's opinion. Just like yours or mine.

I think he'd tell us if he were engaged again, supportive and in contact.

Until then, he's just one of us: a fella with an opinion.

 

[rocytop2624]

That’s pretty stilly. JJ was hurt on a simple slant route.

Yes but he threw him the ball with a DB there and he did it again till he quit.

 

[Volinnooga]

Peterman has his chance in 2013 against FL played terrible, and he also had Riley Ferguson on the roster at that time. But yet he went with Worley the remaining of the year until he got hurt. He always favored the upperclassmen and everyone else could see that. I’m not trying to be biased here but it was plain as day.

Ferguson was hurt and then left the program, but don't let minor details interfere with your agenda

 

[KeyVol14]

Similar to what I've said except that both guys' problems go deeper than that. The staff last year was pretty open about the fact that they had to reduce the playbook for a guy mid-way through his second season in a single offensive scheme. They protected him from having to make reads. He was behind where he should have been at that point.... and then was confronted with a different system. That system based on what Helton did at USC and WKU depends on the QB being able to make pre-snap reads and adjustments then quickly make post snap reads. Holding the ball isn't the base problem. It is a symptom of the reads not being second nature.

If you haven't, you should watch some of KC's games from last year. They aren't very comforting though. He's a "game manager"... who wasn't an excellent game manager from what I saw. His decisions were suspect at times also. He doesn't have great arm strength and still has a propensity to get "wild" at times with the ball. The Oregon St game was awful. USC game was somewhat more promising but he still got away with some risky throws. Difference being that Love played in the USC game but not the OSU game. He was their "easy button".

TBH, the performance of both guys was impacted by coaching philosophy and the talent around them. Stanford isn't built to operate without that feature back... and really needs two. Their receivers and TE's are blockers first. No elite running back... they become a tank without a main gun. JG obviously didn't have a great OL around him which exposed his decision making and holding the ball even more.

Contrary to k-town's delusions... I'm not "anti" either guy. The mental part being equal or even close... I'd love to see JG slinging the ball around. He's fun to watch when he throws it. I've compared him to Bray who I enjoyed watching a lot. I'm just a trying to read the tea leaves. Last year I told k-town to his great anger that QD had won the job at about this point in the process. All of the indicators suggested he left the spring with a lead and widened that lead in August up to the point when some like John Kelly let the cat out of the bag. This year. JG left spring with a clear lead.... actually he would have been the starter outright over those in spring. But Pruitt was really determined to have a grad transfer to look at. Some have said that's because of the back up situation but that would require Pruitt to lie to KC about having a chance to start which he's publicly affirmed several times.

Again... I'm not claiming to know. JG scares me because of weaknesses we have seen. KC scares me because I'm just not sure he has the physical talent to play in the SEC (or Pac12 for that matter).

I agree with all that. Shrout?

 

[rocytop2624]

I’ll be happy with a game manager. I think JG is too turnover prone.

JG is the king of game management. Look at his completion % he just needs a line. Wr do that and play D . Well we will see how good our coaching is this year.

 

[butchna]

OK?

When Pruitt announces then we'll get to see if a few paid professionals declaring the race over were right or if Larry and a smaller group of paid professionals were right.

I HOPE JG has overcome his issues and is the starter. I've watched a couple of full games from KC last year. At best he looks like a game manager who can make enough throws to not be a liability. At worst... he'll throw up similar ducks and have as many INT's as JG had sacks.

I’m going to do this for all three sides. The JG apologists, the Chrystians and the Couldgiveashizzists. Whoever wins the nod? NOBODY but the staff KNEW. These coaches leak nothing...everything’s a guess.