To what extent do you care about the "college" part of collge football?

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I don't care if the players get a degree or not.I pay to watch them play football.I pay for my son to go to college and I care deeply about him getting a degree.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Ah now I got ya. Do the board of trustee's see this problem?
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The politics at the BOT level are so thick that as far as I know, it's impossible for anyone on the outside to have much idea what's going on. Hard to believe that it's not on the radar with a Haslam in the governor's chair.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
I think it's ignorant to think academic success is not important to on the field success. There seems to be a strong correlation between the two.

8 of this years top 10 ranked football teams come from schools ranked in the top 100 academic schools as ranked by US News Report.

Those are:
Alabama
Ohio St
Notre Dame
Georgia
Texas A&M
Stanford
Florida
Florida St

9 out of the last 10 National Champions are all ranked in the top 100 academically by US News Report.

Alabama
Alabama
Auburn
Alabama
Florida
LSU (not in top 100)
Florida
Texas
USC
USC

4 top 20 ranked academic schools that also happen to be in BCS conferences (plus Notre Dame) finished in the 2012 AP top 25 football rankings:

Notre Dame
Stanford
Northwestern
Vanderbilt

A fifth, Duke, was bowl eligible this year.

I am glad our President has made improving our academic standing a priority. In the long run it will make our university better in all facets, including our football team.
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Great post! I'm glad somebody posted these numbers, it shows HOW LITTLE FOOTBALL MATTERS IN A SCHOOLS ACADEMIC RANKING.

Those are:
Alabama - 67% (2011 graduation rates)
Ohio St - 63%
Notre Dame - 96%
Georgia - 68%
Texas A&M - 57%
Stanford - 86%
Florida - 67%
Florida St - 64%

If this was a test, ND would get an A, Stanford would make a B and the rest would get a D 'cept for TAMU, they'd get an F.

Ga. Tech - 49%
UCLA - 52%
UT - 53%

Auburn graduated 100% of it's white football players and 49% of it's black players.

Lots of interesting numbers here. Scout.com: The Bootleg's 2011 Graduation Rate Analysis

Before all the "compared to the average student" stuff starts, my only point is this.... What the football team does academically has no bearing on the institutions ranking. Nobody thinks Ga. Tech is a crappy school because they don't graduate their football players.

It is however, an indictment of the BS academia spews while taking millions of dollars per year from athletics and where a great many of the students are failed by institution policy.

Scout.com: The Bootleg's 2012 Graduation Rate Analysis

Found the 2012 Grad. rates after my post...Look at Cal, lol...Vandy falls out of the rankings, hmmm...GBO!
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The politics at the BOT level are so thick that as far as I know, it's impossible for anyone on the outside to have much idea what's going on. Hard to believe that it's not on the radar with a Haslam in the governor's chair.
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Well he's already encouraging fans to get to the games on Saturday in the fall. I'm pretty sure he's aware of what going on up there. Then again maybe not
 
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Hoghater said:
I don't care if the players get a degree or not.I pay to watch them play football.I pay for my son to go to college and I care deeply about him getting a degree.
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Well, then it is a good thing you're not the parent of the players. Just because YOU don't care if they get a degree, doesn't mean they shouldn't.
 
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Hoghater said:
I don't care if the players get a degree or not.I pay to watch them play football.I pay for my son to go to college and I care deeply about him getting a degree.
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Congratulations on at least being self-aware enough to understand that you only care about yourself. But I'd like to refer you to GAVol's post from the first page of the thread.

GAVol said:
I've always felt like, since the players play for free, if I don't care at least slightly about the academic side and what the players get from the school, I'm supporting something that is a little bit unseemly. Almost a plantation mentality.
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Vercingetorix said:
Congratulations on at least being self-aware enough to understand that you only care about yourself. But I'd like to refer you to GAVol's post from the first page of the thread.
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It amazes me how willing people are to admit to feeling no obligation to treat college athletes as much more than disposable parts meant for their entertainment.
 
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GAVol said:
It amazes me how willing people are to admit to feeling no obligation to treat college athletes as much more than disposable parts meant for their entertainment.
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We all have put these boys on a pedistole like roman gladiators across the conference. I do care about the boys and their education but they have to go get it themselves.
 
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GAVol said:
It amazes me how willing people are to admit to feeling no obligation to treat college athletes as much more than disposable parts meant for their entertainment.
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We all have put these boys on a pedistole like roman gladiators across the conference. I do care about the boys and their education but they have to go get it themselves. If they don't want it that's on them
 
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whobethis16 said:
Well, then it is a good thing you're not the parent of the players. Just because YOU don't care if they get a degree, doesn't mean they shouldn't.
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They should care if their child gets their degree.I did not say they shouldn't.Unfortunatly many probably don't and they sure don't care if my child gets his.
 
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therealitytheory said:
Man, even dripping sarcasm doesn't work around here.

Majors was let go in 1993. Cheek was hired by UT in March of 2009. The Board of Trustees placed the UT Athletic Department under control of the UTK Office of the Chancellor (Cheek) in July of 2010.Office of the Chancellor | UT Knoxville Given Oversight of Athletics

Mike Hamilton and a succession of UT system presidents made the poor decisions that led us to our most recent coaching change.

That is all.
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I honestly did not catch the sarcasm. I thought you were being serious :good!:.
 
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How many of our 2012 Seniors got their degree? Does anyone know without looking it up? I bet more people know the number of Vols invited to the Combine than the number that got their degree.
 
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shoney said:
How many of our 2012 Seniors got their degree? Does anyone know without looking it up? I bet more people know the number of Vols invited to the Combine than the number that got their degree.
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Forget that, how many players that got invited to the combine got their degree?
 
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shoney said:
I have no clue, but in about 5 minutes someone will look it up and post it.
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What's wrong with looking it up? Bray, Hunter, Patterson, Rivera and Thomas got invites. The first 3 are juniors, of the 3 Hunter might have finished up...Rivera transfered in from JUCO I believe and Thomas was here for at least 4 years...I'll say Thomas has a degree. However, I'm guessing, lol. 1 in 5, maybe 2 in 5.
 
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vol66 said:
What's wrong with looking it up? Bray, Hunter, Patterson, Rivera and Thomas got invites. The first 3 are juniors, of the 3 Hunter might have finished up...Rivera transfered in from JUCO I believe and Thomas was here for at least 4 years...I'll say Thomas has a degree. However, I'm guessing, lol. 1 in 5, maybe 2 in 5.
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There is nothing wrong with looking it up. I was just predicting how long it would take. BTW how long did it take?
Edit: I see I missed it by 3 minutes :).
 
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shoney said:
There is nothing wrong with looking it up. I was just predicting how long it would take. BTW how long did it take?
Edit: I see I missed it by 3 minutes :).
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about 10 minutes, less if I didn't junk around.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
Thanks for making feel like a scum bag. I'd work you like a rented mule boy!! I was raised to work!!

As I mentioned I'm proud of anybody that gets a college degree and I do understand the value of it hell my sister has a degree!! IM JUST AN UNEDUCATED 40 HR A WEEK FOOTBALL FAN!!!!!!!
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degrees are overrated. average income is 35k. Hooray degree!
 
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If we care so much about our football players graduating, then we need to go to another conference. SEC football is war, and we need more goons to compete against punks and thugs like Alabubba, Floridiot, etc.
 
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Elhanan said:
I don't care at all.

I would say most people, for right or wrong, have some state pride tied into their team. I don't think anyone would stop watching if all the sudden all college teams just became minor league teams with 3 year player contracts.
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I don't believe that would be true. To many, the appeal of college football lies in the traditions, rivals and all of the other little quirks like hound dogs, cannons and indian chiefs on horseback. Most of those things are as heavily tied to the university as they are the sports teams.

Further, the whole discussion of players and CFB being an NFL minor league only applies to about 3-4 percent of the players. There are a lot of players who know they have no future in the NFL, and they know that football is a means to a better opportunity when its over. Those guys would have no interest in your plan.

I have no issue with a developmental league for football, but it shouldn't have anything to do with colleges.
 
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Just to further expound upon SaintLouisVol’s remarks, one can make a defensible argument that baseball was the one sport that got it right from the outset; their minor league system eliminates any perceived conflict with respect to the amateur status of athletes. College football, on the other hand, long predated the advent of the NFL. When fledgling professional football teams began to pop up on the athletic landscape, it was regarded, at the time, as a rather seedy enterprise. It was not until athletes the caliber of Red Grange decided to join “the League” that professional football began to gain some sense of public respect. I believe that it would be safe to say that, as a spectator sport in the United States, college football was, at that time, surpassed only by major league baseball. The bottom line is that college football existed as a truly amateur enterprise for decades and has been deeply entrenched to this day with a code of “pseudo-amateurism” that should not be jettisoned. If there is any sense of exploitation in terms of the relationship between universities and college football players, let’s call a spade a spade and acknowledge the fact that it is a mutually reciprocal relationship.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
I believe that it would be safe to say that, as a spectator sport in the United States, college football was, at that time, surpassed only by major league baseball. The bottom line is that college football existed as a truly amateur enterprise for decades and has been deeply entrenched to this day with a code of “pseudo-amateurism” that should not be jettisoned. If there is any sense of exploitation in terms of the relationship between universities and college football players, let’s call a spade a spade and acknowledge the fact that it is a mutually reciprocal relationship.
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The problem is that we're turning a blind eye to the money these kids are generating. At the time you are discussing, the coach of the football team did not make more than the President of the University. In fact the coach, didn't make as much as many professors.

Look, the athletic department "invests" 2-4.5 Million depending on the amount of the scholarships to the 85 football players. So even on it's face we can see an inequity. We are paying 6.2 million to 11 men to coach 85 men on the field and in the weight room. That doesn't include another 3.56 million in salaries to the non-revenue sports and I'm not including Mens or Womens basketball, if they don't break even then the figure goes up quite a bit. Dave Hart makes $775,000, combined with rest of his executive staff it totals $1.78 Million dollars, the Administrative staff for those 8 guys make $1.49 Million. That alone comes to 13 Million and some change. That sounds like a lot, but compared to TV rights, and corporate deals with partners like IMG, plus the SEC deals...We're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars and you can't go back.

I remember Dooley said during his first year that the program made 100 million dollars the year before. That's a pretty good return on a 2 - 5 million investment.

The President of UT makes $420,000, less than the current baseball coach, half as much as the AD and he's not even in the same Universe with the head football coach. It's been flipped on it's head due to the money from football. To say "that's all the players get" is hard to hear if you appreciate a degree and know it's value. Still look what everybody else gets and it's hard not to feel like they deserve something more.

If the football coach makes 5 times what the president of the university makes, what does that say about what we value?
 
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