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Much has been discussed re non-use of timeouts to stop runs

The following article is so far the basis for not calling one:

This is 3 independent researchers from Cornell
The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA (article below,,,note the last line)
In the summer of 2017, the National Basketball Association reduced the number of total timeouts, along with other rule changes, to regulate the flow of the game. With these rule changes, it becomes increasingly important for coaches to effectively manage their timeouts. Understanding the utility of a timeout under various game scenarios, e.g., during an opposing team's run, is of the utmost importance. There are two schools of thought when the opposition is on a run: (1) call a timeout and allow your team to rest and regroup, or (2) save a timeout and hope your team can make corrections during play. This paper investigates the credence of these tenets using the Rubin causal model framework to quantify the causal effect of a timeout in the presence of an opposing team's run. Too often overlooked, we carefully consider the stable unit-treatment-value assumption (SUTVA) in this context and use SUTVA to motivate our definition of units. To measure the effect of a timeout, we introduce a novel, interpretable outcome based on the score difference to describe broad changes in the scoring dynamics. This outcome is well-suited for situations where the quantity of interest fluctuates frequently, a commonality in many sports analytics applications. We conclude from our analysis that while comebacks frequently occur after a run, it is slightly disadvantageous to call a timeout during a run by the opposing team and further demonstrate that the magnitude of this effect varies by franchise.

the 3 writers of this paper:
Connor P Gibbs: has posted two studies;
1: ECoHeN: A Hypothesis Testing Framework for Extracting Communities from Heterogeneous Networks
2: The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA

Ryan Elmore: has posted 6 studies;
1: Simulation-Based Decision Making in the NFL using NFLSimulatoR
2: The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA
3: Bang the Can Slowly: An Investigation into the 2017 Houston Astros
4: Modeling Sums of Exchangeable Binary Variables
5: Prioritized Data Compression using Wavelets
6: Keeping greed good: sparse regression under design uncertainty with application to biomass characterization

Bailey Fosdick: 18 studies;
  1. ECoHeN: A Hypothesis Testing Framework for Extracting Communities from Heterogeneous Networks
  2. Inference for Network Regression Models with Community Structure
  3. Sampling random graphs with specified degree sequences
  4. The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA
  5. Non-Uniform Sampling of Fixed Margin Binary Matrices
  6. Regression of binary network data with exchangeable latent errors
  7. Inferring Influence Networks from Longitudinal Bipartite Relational Data
  8. etc,,...If you wich to read more form Mr. Fosdick (no I didn't make that name up) link below
  9. Search | arXiv e-print repository
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This is an article form the website: "Basketball for Coaches"
The 5 Moments Throughout a Game You Must Call a Timeout

The 5 Moments Throughout a Game You Must Call a Timeout
Timeouts are a crucial part of a basketball game and can be the difference between going home with a win or a loss. Yes… they’re that important.
Every coach must learn at what stage of the game their timeouts will have the best impact on your teams success.
I received an e-mail a couple of days ago requesting advice on when the best times are throughout a game to call a timeout. Obviously, this differ from game to game, but there some hard-and-fast rules that every coach seem’s to stick by that I want to share with you.
Here are five times throughout a game when you should call a timeout.

The 5 Moments You Must Call A Timeout
1. To stop the momentum of the other team (and the crowd)
Just as your team will undoubtedly get hot during certain stretches games, there will be times when the opposition also goes on a run where they seem to make every shot they attempt. Once this starts to happen, their players build on their confidence and your players will start to doubt themselves. If nothing is changed this can quickly turn into a disaster and the next time you look up at the scoreboard the opposition has put on a quick 10 points. Which will possibly be the difference in the game.
Having said that, you should always call a timeout in this situation. Especially if you’re playing on the road. It calm’s down the crowd, re-focuses your players, and cools down the opposition players.
It’s all about momentum. You don’t want to let the other team get their confidence up.

2. To change your game strategy
Another reason to call a timeout is when you want to make a big change in your strategy.
For example, if you’re in a zone-press and it’s just not working and you want to bring your players back into a man-to-man defense. Or you’re getting killed in the post and need to explain to your players who you want to double the post.
Sometimes it can be hard to call out the changes that you want to be made, especially with younger players. You need to call a timeout so that you can talk to them and explain the changes without distractions.

3. To draw up a specific play
This is most often used towards the end of a game. Ever wondered why the last 3 minutes of a basketball game seem to go for 10 minutes? Timeouts are the reason. In a close game that goes down to the wire it’s not uncommon to see 3 or 4 timeouts called in the last couple of minutes.
Down the stretch is when a coach can start to be the crucial difference in a game. Calling a timeout gives you the opportunity to diagram a new play to give you an open look. Whereas if you didn’t call a timeout, your players may be forced to run a play that the other team may have learned how to defend during the game and your players may not get an open look.

4. To give your players a rest without substituting
3 minutes to go, the scores are tied, but unfortunately, your best player is running out of gas. Do you really want to sub them out of the game for a chance to rest? I doubt it.
That’s where timeouts come in handy. They allow you to give your players a break without being forced to substitute them out of the game.

5. To fire up your team
I was on the ledge as to whether to include this one as some might think ‘to fire up your team’ also falls under the ‘momentum’ point. But I don’t think it does.
We’ve all coached games where our players start off the game sluggish and seem mentally out of it regardless of what the score is.
This is a time you should call a timeout to give them a good ol’ kick up the backside to get them focused on the game at hand.

Personally I will take advice from a coaching site...Your input and opinions?
 
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Much has been discussed re non-use of timeouts to stop runs

The following article is so far the basis for not calling one:

This is 3 independent researchers from Cornell
The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA (article below,,,note the last line)
In the summer of 2017, the National Basketball Association reduced the number of total timeouts, along with other rule changes, to regulate the flow of the game. With these rule changes, it becomes increasingly important for coaches to effectively manage their timeouts. Understanding the utility of a timeout under various game scenarios, e.g., during an opposing team's run, is of the utmost importance. There are two schools of thought when the opposition is on a run: (1) call a timeout and allow your team to rest and regroup, or (2) save a timeout and hope your team can make corrections during play. This paper investigates the credence of these tenets using the Rubin causal model framework to quantify the causal effect of a timeout in the presence of an opposing team's run. Too often overlooked, we carefully consider the stable unit-treatment-value assumption (SUTVA) in this context and use SUTVA to motivate our definition of units. To measure the effect of a timeout, we introduce a novel, interpretable outcome based on the score difference to describe broad changes in the scoring dynamics. This outcome is well-suited for situations where the quantity of interest fluctuates frequently, a commonality in many sports analytics applications. We conclude from our analysis that while comebacks frequently occur after a run, it is slightly disadvantageous to call a timeout during a run by the opposing team and further demonstrate that the magnitude of this effect varies by franchise.

the 3 writers of this paper:
Connor P Gibbs: has posted two studies;
1: ECoHeN: A Hypothesis Testing Framework for Extracting Communities from Heterogeneous Networks
2: The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA

Ryan Elmore: has posted 6 studies;
1: Simulation-Based Decision Making in the NFL using NFLSimulatoR
2: The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA
3: Bang the Can Slowly: An Investigation into the 2017 Houston Astros
4: Modeling Sums of Exchangeable Binary Variables
5: Prioritized Data Compression using Wavelets
6: Keeping greed good: sparse regression under design uncertainty with application to biomass characterization

Bailey Fosdick: 18 studies;
  1. ECoHeN: A Hypothesis Testing Framework for Extracting Communities from Heterogeneous Networks
  2. Inference for Network Regression Models with Community Structure
  3. Sampling random graphs with specified degree sequences
  4. The causal effect of a timeout at stopping an opposing run in the NBA
  5. Non-Uniform Sampling of Fixed Margin Binary Matrices
  6. Regression of binary network data with exchangeable latent errors
  7. Inferring Influence Networks from Longitudinal Bipartite Relational Data
  8. etc,,...If you wich to read more form Mr. Fosdick (no I didn't make that name up) link below
  9. Search | arXiv e-print repository
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This is an article form the website: "Basketball for Coaches"
The 5 Moments Throughout a Game You Must Call a Timeout

The 5 Moments Throughout a Game You Must Call a Timeout
Timeouts are a crucial part of a basketball game and can be the difference between going home with a win or a loss. Yes… they’re that important.
Every coach must learn at what stage of the game their timeouts will have the best impact on your teams success.
I received an e-mail a couple of days ago requesting advice on when the best times are throughout a game to call a timeout. Obviously, this differ from game to game, but there some hard-and-fast rules that every coach seem’s to stick by that I want to share with you.
Here are five times throughout a game when you should call a timeout.

The 5 Moments You Must Call A Timeout
1. To stop the momentum of the other team (and the crowd)
Just as your team will undoubtedly get hot during certain stretches games, there will be times when the opposition also goes on a run where they seem to make every shot they attempt. Once this starts to happen, their players build on their confidence and your players will start to doubt themselves. If nothing is changed this can quickly turn into a disaster and the next time you look up at the scoreboard the opposition has put on a quick 10 points. Which will possibly be the difference in the game.
Having said that, you should always call a timeout in this situation. Especially if you’re playing on the road. It calm’s down the crowd, re-focuses your players, and cools down the opposition players.
It’s all about momentum. You don’t want to let the other team get their confidence up.

2. To change your game strategy
Another reason to call a timeout is when you want to make a big change in your strategy.
For example, if you’re in a zone-press and it’s just not working and you want to bring your players back into a man-to-man defense. Or you’re getting killed in the post and need to explain to your players who you want to double the post.
Sometimes it can be hard to call out the changes that you want to be made, especially with younger players. You need to call a timeout so that you can talk to them and explain the changes without distractions.

3. To draw up a specific play
This is most often used towards the end of a game. Ever wondered why the last 3 minutes of a basketball game seem to go for 10 minutes? Timeouts are the reason. In a close game that goes down to the wire it’s not uncommon to see 3 or 4 timeouts called in the last couple of minutes.
Down the stretch is when a coach can start to be the crucial difference in a game. Calling a timeout gives you the opportunity to diagram a new play to give you an open look. Whereas if you didn’t call a timeout, your players may be forced to run a play that the other team may have learned how to defend during the game and your players may not get an open look.

4. To give your players a rest without substituting
3 minutes to go, the scores are tied, but unfortunately, your best player is running out of gas. Do you really want to sub them out of the game for a chance to rest? I doubt it.
That’s where timeouts come in handy. They allow you to give your players a break without being forced to substitute them out of the game.

5. To fire up your team
I was on the ledge as to whether to include this one as some might think ‘to fire up your team’ also falls under the ‘momentum’ point. But I don’t think it does.
We’ve all coached games where our players start off the game sluggish and seem mentally out of it regardless of what the score is.
This is a time you should call a timeout to give them a good ol’ kick up the backside to get them focused on the game at hand.

Personally I will take advice from a coaching site...Your input and opinions?
Coach, like you I have coached at all levels (youth, AAU, HS,D3) and was screaming at the TV for a timeout for Reason #1 to kill the momentum. After looking at the game a second time and asking what was she thinking, I started questioning how much influence does the media timeout and need to have timeout at end of game have on when a coach calls a timeout. Vols are down by 5 at around 6:30 mark before the wheels start to fall off the bus. When timeout is called at 5:19 she lost media timeout. I would like to see a WBB coach discuss their philosophy given the media timeouts, and the advancing the ball rule. The study nor the very good advice take into account changes in rules
 
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The problem with the above is that they don’t provide any studies that support their thoughts. I am not saying they are wrong but I like to see the analytics if available. My gut says they are right but that may because of my bias and not facts. I do agree with most of your point, home or away, etc..
And of course there is a big difference between NBA, WBB, High School, etc.. Also the players experience, time playing as a team etc..
What I am saying there is probably no one universal rule for teams. It is up to the coach to learn what works best for their team. I do wonder if Coach Kellie is convinced to do it one way instead of trying to determine what is best for her team in various circumstances.
 
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I have 2 thoughts on time out as well That seemingly coinside with each other

1.. If you need more than 2 timeouts at the end of the game you probably needed 2 timeouts before the end of the game

2.. My standard of thinking is I have 2 timeouts for instruction, interrupting run or coaching moments and 2 timeouts for emergencies
 
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powell passes to jackson gane winer. players said kellie draw up. your coming back 10 points down 1 min to go. if noting else lets players get rest if they are tired. use time while there time . no need to give espn more add time . game done most times 10 down less than min to go.
 
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I am squarely on the side of using timeouts judiciously to stop momentum (especially against teams that feed upon emotion, such as LSU) or when your own team panics (vs. OSU) or gets rattled (vs. LSU). It may help or it may do no good at all, but at least it's doing something. I honestly can't see how analytics could show thay it actually hurts the situation any; that's never been my experience when teams are roughly equal in talent.

I do wonder if the "advancing the ball" rule has had the effect of influencing some coaches to save timeouts that they might otherwise have used.
 
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I am squarely on the side of using timeouts judiciously to stop momentum (especially against teams that feed upon emotion, such as LSU) or when your own team panics (vs. OSU) or gets rattled (vs. LSU). It may help or it may do no good at all, but at least it's doing something. I honestly can't see how analytics could show thay it actually hurts the situation any; that's never been my experience when teams are roughly equal in talent.

I do wonder if the "advancing the ball" rule has had the effect of influencing some coaches to save timeouts that they might otherwise have used.

Players play the game...Coaches orchestrate the game

As a coach, I have weapons:
Working the refs
substitutions
designed plays
calling defenses/offenses
dictating match-ups
starting lineups
calling for movement on the floor
timeouts

the most versatile of which is the timeout;
for; stopping momentum/coaching moments/resting players/strategizing/extending the game/advancement of the ball,,,popcorn runs

arguably, the only two the players can see as a purposeful defending of them are working the refs and timeouts.

If you don't think players see these two as the coach defending them,,,,you don't know basketball
 
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I like scientific analysis. I like data based decisions, at least as much as old timers’ wisdom and “educated” gut feelings. Now that my prejudices are out there, here are some questions the cited study raises:

1. What were the circumstances in which a Stop A Run (hereinafter, SAR) proved (A) effective, and (B) ineffective? Specifically, for each of A and B, above, were the teams close to equal in skill, prior record, and full roster availability? Was the team making the run obviously superior, say in the top 25% of the league, while the SAR team was in the bottom 25%? Good statistical research design might well discard such data, as the result of taking or not taking an SAR timeout would likely be overwhelmed by other factors.

2. What was the overall correlation between teams taking SAR timeouts when such teams had losing records for the season up to the time of the collected data, and what was the correlation with teams with winning records? Ditto for teams NOT using SAR timeouts?

If you are into stats, you probably see where I'm going. Ceteris paribus (all other things being equal…), we can learn much by comparing different actions and outcomes. But real life is loaded with variables. Unless we have a very large universe of data points, different outcomes may be explained, at least in part, by many variables.

The obvious logical issue—-note I didn't say “flaw”, but issue—-that must be addressed is whether or not NBA results can or should be extrapolated to college kids. We lack data and analysis to say yes or no.

Kellie, for whatever reasons, doesn't use a fair number of available timeouts. Can we attribute our losses to the better opponents on our schedule to that single fact? I'm not smart enough to say so. Are the pocket timeouts a contributing factor? Please make your case with facts and logic, rather than by tossing gratuitous insults.
 
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I like scientific analysis. I like data based decisions, at least as much as old timers’ wisdom and “educated” gut feelings. Now that my prejudices are out there, here are some questions the cited study raises:

1. What were the circumstances in which a Stop A Run (hereinafter, SAR) proved (A) effective, and (B) ineffective? Specifically, for each of A and B, above, were the teams close to equal in skill, prior record, and full roster availability? Was the team making the run obviously superior, say in the top 25% of the league, while the SAR team was in the bottom 25%? Good statistical research design might well discard such data, as the result of taking or not taking an SAR timeout would likely be overwhelmed by other factors.

2. What was the overall correlation between teams taking SAR timeouts when such teams had losing records for the season up to the time of the collected data, and what was the correlation with teams with winning records? Ditto for teams NOT using SAR timeouts?

If you are into stats, you probably see where I'm going. Ceteris paribus (all other things being equal…), we can learn much by comparing different actions and outcomes. But real life is loaded with variables. Unless we have a very large universe of data points, different outcomes may be explained, at least in part, by many variables.

The obvious logical issue—-note I didn't say “flaw”, but issue—-that must be addressed is whether or not NBA results can or should be extrapolated to college kids. We lack data and analysis to say yes or no.

Kellie, for whatever reasons, doesn't use a fair number of available timeouts. Can we attribute our losses to the better opponents on our schedule to that single fact? I'm not smart enough to say so. Are the pocket timeouts a contributing factor? Please make your case with facts and logic, rather than by tossing gratuitous insults.

Fact: NBA is not the female professional league
Fact: Women are not mentally/physically/emotionally parallel to men
Fact: this study was done by three Cornell students
Fact: Cornell is NOT a women's basketball powerhouse,,they have made it to the NCAA tourney once,,lost
Fact: I am 42 years on the court and trust my experience over a Cornell study
 
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The obvious logical issue—-note I didn't say “flaw”, but issue—-that must be addressed is whether or not NBA results can or should be extrapolated to college kids. We lack data and analysis to say yes or no.
Somewhere in this maze of data I read that the effectiveness of the MTO peaks around high school and diminishes thereafter. That indicates some review of lower levels must have occurred.

It's not the timeout itself, but things that happen during the timeout that might stop the run. Lineup and matchup changes are noted to be the most often effective moves. Both are on a list I saw of times to try NOT to call a timeout. If you can get that sub in or get the defensive adjustment communicated effectively without the timeout, you should. Apparently they believe the emotional boost from the MTO does not offset the loss of the timeout in the age of advancing the ball, especially as players mature,

KJH, the math major, is a very stat and analytical coach. She's also tenacious, which we loved as a PG but maybe not so much as Coach. She is not a performative coach, so wouldn't burn a t.o. just to go ballastic for the home crowd. I suspect alot of the love for the MTO is exactly to get that moment where coach expresses our frustrations to the team. Feels good, It's just necessarily all that helpful.

Any data on the effectiveness of coaches getting technical fouls to make a statement to refs?
 
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powell passes to jackson gane winer. players said kellie draw up. your coming back 10 points down 1 min to go. if noting else lets players get rest if they are tired. use time while there time . no need to give espn more add time . game done most times 10 down less than min to go.
That’s just one time Powell decided to pass the ball instead of forcing a shot up.
 
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The following article is so far the basis for not calling one:

This is 3 independent researchers from Cornell.

Reading, even if your lips move in a room by yourself, is your friend.

Connor Gibbs. Department of Statistics Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 Ryan Elmore Department of Business Information and Analytics University of Denver
Denver, CO 80208 Bailey Fosdick. Department of Statistics Colorado State University Denver, CO 80523

Go ahead, call someone a nerd. Keep on believing that stats vary according to the basketball traditions of an institution. Ignorance is bliss.
 
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Reading, even if your lips move in a room by yourself, is your friend.



Go ahead, call someone a nerd. Keep on believing that stats vary according to the basketball traditions of an institution. Ignorance is bliss.

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I am not going to get into a 3rd grade name calling with you.
The "someones" I referenced to is no one you know and no one on this board
please refrain from calling names per the rules of this board
 
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To time out or not time out;
That is the question.
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the runs and turnovers of outrageous fortune,
Or take arms against a sea of troubles, and by calling a time out, end them.
 
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To time out or not time out;
That is the question.
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the runs and turnovers of outrageous fortune,
Or take arms against a sea of troubles, and by calling a time out, end them.


To win: to lose; No more;
and by a loss to say we "crap"
The lower ranking and the AP polls
That the game is heir to,
'tis a competition'
Devoutly to be wish'd. To win, to be the victor
 
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Can someone please remind me...

How many timeouts do we get per half?
4 per game

with 4 media timeouts,, coming around the 5:00-4:30 mark-stoppage at the end of each qtr
these are a blessing and curse
often the runs against us precede these media stoppages and ALL coaches seemingly try to wait out runs if they happen near this mark of the qtr
 
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4 per game

with 4 media timeouts,, coming around the 5:00-4:30 mark-stoppage at the end of each qtr
these are a blessing and curse
often the runs against us precede these media stoppages and ALL coaches seemingly try to wait out runs if they happen near this mark of the qtr

Yeah. My gut tells me that CKH is a tad slow on calling those.

I'm ok with not calling any / many in first half.

And, I get that LSU was running away from us near the media timeout. But, when you get within a point...and they go on like 8-0 run; gotta call a T/O.
 
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I LOVE stats, but I trust my gut more. :^)
Simply put stats are only as good as the bias you have eliminated.

Yes! Me too.

I get that she wants to save a couple for final minute.

And, she seems willing to use one. But, think she needs to be quicker on using the second one.

Perhaps, the third as well..
 
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Watching the men's game, they are playing miserably, can't hit a shot, making t.o.s, can't guard the 3 and Florida on a 15-0 run. And . . . CRB does not call time out. His hall of fame gut must have told him it wouldn't help. Waits for the media t.o.

It is very early in the game though. Second half he may have called one. But clearly, he tries hard not to.
 
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