To those who think injuries aren't an issue...

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LandonVFL

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Just saw Gaulden on campus in a walking boot. I normally don't start threads, just lurk, but I cant understand the hysteria on this board as of late. This team is just flat out beat down -- and it's like some of the people on here just totally forgot about the 4 game gauntlet we went through. Even someone like Gaulden, who has been playing great these past 4 games, is not 100% healthy. No one with any amount of logic can argue that the team on the field against the red team was the same one that came back on UF in improbable fashion. I would argue that our Vols just had the toughest 4 game stretch out of any in the country, and outside of one game we played well. One bad loss to a loaded team is not the end of the season, but a fan base giving up on the team and coaches could be. Enjoy the bye week fellas, we obviously need it.
 
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We've obviously been hampered by injuries. The question is why. Has to be more than bad luck to have this many (i.e., new S&C coach, etc.)
 
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Some injuries can't be attributed to S&C. Roll ups on an ankle, broken bones, concussions.
 
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Saw somewhere TN officially dressed 70 on Saturday!! WTH???






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I knew some people would freak out after a couple losses, but jeez we lose to 2 top ten teams and people think we've been exposed as some sort of FCS team masquerading as an SEC team. Notre Dame was a top ten preseason team and they're 2-3 now. A week off is needed for some of the fans as much as the players.
 
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Injury depth is different than stay fresh depth.
With a long list of players not available due to injury it impacts our level of play and how fresh they will be late in the game.

Blame CBJ and/or our strength coach, but football is a car crash every play, to have as many injuries as we do is not typical but an in depth analysis would be needed to accurately place blame. It's not just the what is the injury but how did it happen?

Maybe it is the way they are training. With the rules about helmet to helmet hits, it should not be a surprise that more shoulder injuries occur.

Plan C all the way to Tampa.
 
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Injuries or not, this is a good team. Expect them to win out with whatever offensive linemen are left, whatever linebackers are left.

To the players...get better, there are a lot of people that don't doubt you or the coaches.
 
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The injuries don't excuse the piss poor game plan and offensive play calling.

Not sure why they can't put out more of these younger players. I.e. Warrior

Those are my 2 concerns from the game. Anyone w a brain knows we didn't have a chance in that game. But personally, I wish they at least tried a little harder. Also, Shoop is not any better than Jancek.
 
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Injuries are definitely an issue. Even though the backups generally have played well, taking JRM, Kirkland, Sutton, Foreman, Sapp, and O'Brien out of your defense scheme and Robertson and Wiseman off your OL will eventually take a toll. As the OC stated, the team certainly needed a bye week, as Kendrick, Hall, Abernathy, McKenzie, and Vickers joined the injured list during the Bama game. With the exception of Sapp (season-ending knee surgery) and O'Brien, hopefully all the above will return for USCjr, with Sutton returning by the UK game.
 
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There is a reason there is a depth chart... You have your 1s, 2,3, then the rest. Why can't some of you understand this SIMPLE chart? I know you all don't like Butch,, get over yourselves or you would be making these charts. The 22 best go on the first team , the next twenty two go on the second team , now do some of you understand. Now when you have one major group down to third team and another at second and another that doesn't have a lot and looks to me like had at least one maybe two that should NOT be playing"redshirts" then that severely hampers play calling to keep what few number ones healthy we still have , which I'm sure aren't near 100% either. So now coaches what are you gonna do? Some of you ***** and moan , and for the first time on this board ,pissed me off. Now I love you all because we are all ORANGE ,but step back and think????????? Now if just three years ago I would have told you this scenario would happen , would you expect any coach could come in and build a true three deep to compete with anyone much less that team? We heal up and have a week of rest and let's do this again ,I think we take them deep into the fourth if not win. As you should be able to see , how many doofy recruits are left now?it will take at least two more years with top cruits to compete , and still if you have these injuries???
 
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HollowaytoSeivers said:
Injuries are definitely an issue. Even though the backups generally have played well, taking JRM, Kirkland, Sutton, Foreman, Sapp, and O'Brien out of your defense scheme and Robertson and Wiseman off your OL will eventually take a toll. As the OC stated, the team certainly needed a bye week, as Kendrick, Hall, Abernathy, McKenzie, and Vickers joined the injured list during the Bama game. With the exception of Sapp (season-ending knee surgery) and O'Brien, hopefully all the above will return for USCjr, with Sutton returning by the UK game.
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Pretty sure the consensus on McKenzie is he's out for the season with torn pectoral muscle. We have 4 DTs left, one of which we were wanting to redshirt in Picou. some of the DEs are going to have to work at DT.

In before someone says move Charles Mosley back to DT.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
The injuries don't excuse the piss poor game plan and offensive play calling.

Also, Shoop is not any better than Jancek.
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Since you are a Jenius what would you have done differently on offense? keep in mind we did what you suggested and put in younger players on the offensive line (because of injuries) and it was a jailbreak the rest of the afternoon.
What would you do differently on defense? Consider that 3/4 of the most important elements against bama were missing. 1)We got some pass rush but we were missing 2) our best covermen, 3) best runstuffing lineman, and 4) our 2 fastest linebackers that can cover in space.
We wait for your solutions.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
The injuries don't excuse the piss poor game plan and offensive play calling.

Not sure why they can't put out more of these younger players. I.e. Warrior

Those are my 2 concerns from the game. Anyone w a brain knows we didn't have a chance in that game. But personally, I wish they at least tried a little harder. Also, Shoop is not any better than Jancek.
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We just went up against two of the best schemers in college football in Saban and Kiffin in exploiting weaknesses with a healthy 3 deep at their disposal, and we are supposed to miraculously scheme against them with a decimated 3 deep? 23% of the team was not playing or playing injured... And a true freshman safety is going to be the scheme to go with? Right... :thumbsup:
 
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philberry31 said:
Since you are a Jenius what would you have done differently on offense? keep in mind we did what you suggested and put in younger players on the offensive line (because of injuries) and it was a jailbreak the rest of the afternoon.
What would you do differently on defense? Consider that 3/4 of the most important elements against bama were missing. 1)We got some pass rush but we were missing 2) our best covermen, 3) best runstuffing lineman, and 4) our 2 fastest linebackers that can cover in space.
We wait for your solutions.
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I'm not paid mils to do this. I am in no way saying we had a miracle of a chance to win that game. My offense would of consisted of running the ball sparingly. And looking for deep balls all game. Our best chance to score is a blown coverage, PI, or letting our big receivers go up and grab a ball. I know we didn't have time, but we had time to throw the ball more than 10 yds down field. We never even tried. On defense we we're going to get run over w/ every injury. I mentioned throwing out Warrior bc it doesn't make sense to keep dinged up safeties out there (EB). No way he would of been much worse. Throw out some young guys that are healthy, and not redshirting and let them run and play. It would not of been worse so why not try.

Edit: And as far as the Jancek comment, it's just facts at this point. Shoop isn't going anywhere to be a head coach anytime soon. That's ludicrous at this point, but seemed to be a general notion at the beginning of the season.
 
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If Foreman played most of the A & M game with a separated shoulder, then that play he made to cause the fumble out of the end zone just got even more impressive.
 
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LandonVFL said:
Pretty sure you can only have 85 scholarship players, so if we only dressed 70.....
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They can have up to 85 on scholarship but they usually dress all the walk-ons for home games at least the ones they deem making a contribution ie producing for the scout team. Its a big deal for the walk-ons to dress and then the next step is make the travel team which I think may only be 70.

I can't image they only had 70 healthy enough to dress for a home game.
 
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BogeyVol said:
We just went up against two of the best schemers in college football in Saban and Kiffin in exploiting weaknesses with a healthy 3 deep at their disposal, and we are supposed to miraculously scheme against them with a decimated 3 deep? 23% of the team was not playing or playing injured... And a true freshman safety is going to be the scheme to go with? Right... :thumbsup:
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Yeah Warrior would of been so much worse than Evan Berry. At least Warrior is at 100%, Berry is dinged up along w the rest of the defense. Just one example. Throw Bituli and some others out there too. It wouldn't of been worse and at least they're healthy. There wasn't much to scheme, but an offense consisting of Hurd up the middle for no gain isn't going to win any games. Already got lucky enough against App St.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Yeah Warrior would of been so much worse than Evan Berry. At least Warrior is at 100%, Berry is dinged up along w the rest of the defense. Just one example. Throw Bituli and some others out there too. It wouldn't of been worse and at least they're healthy. There wasn't much to scheme, but an offense consisting of Hurd up the middle for no gain isn't going to win any games. Already got lucky enough against App St.
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Any chance for the O to do anything went out the window with the O line decimation. One starter left. I get trying to throw it down the field but there just wasn't any time and would probably have gotten Dobbs injured. The Vols never had a chance in this one. All the talk all week was we were going to get some guys back but it never happened and several that most thought would play didn't even dress.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
I'm not paid mils to do this. I am in no way saying we had a miracle of a chance to win that game. My offense would of consisted of running the ball sparingly. And looking for deep balls all game. Our best chance to score is a blown coverage, PI, or letting our big receivers go up and grab a ball. I know we didn't have time, but we had time to throw the ball more than 10 yds down field. We never even tried. On defense we we're going to get run over w/ every injury. I mentioned throwing out Warrior bc it doesn't make sense to keep dinged up safeties out there (EB). No way he would of been much worse. Throw out some young guys that are healthy, and not redshirting and let them run and play. It would not of been worse so why not try.

Edit: And as far as the Jancek comment, it's just facts at this point. Shoop isn't going anywhere to be a head coach anytime soon. That's ludicrous at this point, but seemed to be a general notion at the beginning of the season.
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1) I'm not paid mils to do this. This post provides ample justification for this.
2) My offense would of consisted of running the ball sparingly. And looking for deep balls all game. Your quarter back would have been looking at the lights and clouds all day and probably been killed. With out a run threat to the interior of the D-line there would be ZERO chance of completing even a short pass.
3) On defense we we're going to get run over w/ every injury. I mentioned throwing out Warrior bc it doesn't make sense to keep dinged up safeties out there (EB). No way he would of been much worse. Throw out some young guys that are healthy, and not redshirting and let them run and play. If you think contributing freshmen are the norm in big time college ball, you are very mistaken. Often freshemen are worth 50% of the starter.
3) It would not of been worse so why not try. Wanna bet.
 
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