to those who might be unhappy finishing 17th

#126
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tennesseekilt said:
Dooley's recruiting rankings the last 3 years:

2010 - 9
2011 - 13
2012 - 17 (to this point)

Average - 13

If we finish 13 in the BCS next year who won't be jumping for joy? How about anywhere in the top 25?

If Dooley doesn't coach them up that's one thing, but he has definitely had the chance to bring in his players and has done a nice job of that. This, however, is his make or break year IMO.

I'm VERY happy with this class. :)
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Do you realize we have lost a total 7 (4 star) recruits from 2010 and 2011 already. These guys helped push the classes higher but never actually contributed on the field and never will. This on top of the 09 disaster where virtually the entire class is gone.

Eddrick Loften (didn't qualified)
Dave Clark (didn't qualified)
Ted Meline (transferred)
Matt Milton (transferred)
John Brown (didn't qualified)
DeAnthony Arnett (transferred)
Pat Martin (transferred)

All schools have attrition but I'm thinking there has never been a school with as much of it as we have had the past three years.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Scholarship reductions started this year for them. They can only take 15 per year and have 75 total for the next 3 years.

BTW, ESPNU reported on the show today that the 15 they took this year does, in fact, put them over the 75 limit by several; but quoted Kiffin as saying he was going to find a way to get them all in.

Translation: He's not going to renew some current
players' schollies to make room, like Nick.
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It's not like we are saints. We told our very first commitment in the class of 2012 to take a hike after he had been commited for ten months.
 
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GLDunlap said:
It's not like we are saints. We told our very first commitment in the class of 2012 to take a hike after he had been commited for ten months.
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That was because of grades, watch the Dooley presser and you would have understood all that!!!

:crazy::whistling:
 
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#129
I am happy with our 17th finish, especially with being the first team in the rankings to not make a bowl, every team in front of us made a bowl game and the next team closest to us that didn't make a bowl was 26th Texas Tech.

I think with the bad season and coaches turnover we did great to finish 17th. GBO!
 
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#130
HSVol said:
I'm REALLY unhappy about UTVOL02 losing the bet. By such a slim margin, too. That's about all I'm bummed about.

He had balls to stick by UT's ability to recruit and I commend him for that!
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It aint over yet! We're only 83pts behind Oregon in 15th. If UT lands Bynum it will be pretty close. If they land him and one more we should jump into the top 15.

:crossfingers:

Either way this class is very good, **** the ranking.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
It aint over yet! We're only 83pts behind Oregon in 15th. If UT lands Bynum it will be pretty close. If they land him and one more we should jump into the top 15.

:crossfingers:

Either way this class is very good, **** the ranking.
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I'll be happy to take your post ban. Your a valuable part of this website. I am happy reading. Let me fall on the sword!
 
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#133
OrebankVol said:
That was because of grades, watch the Dooley presser and you would have understood all that!!!

:crazy::whistling:
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Dooley also said Palermo is one of the most respected D-line coaches in America. Would one of the "most respected D-line coaches in America really be coaching at MTSU? So we told Cross to take a hike because of grades but welcomed Bonner with open arms? Ok.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Dooley also said Palermo is one of the most respected D-line coaches in America. Would one of the "most respected D-line coaches in America really be coaching at MTSU? So we told Cross to take a hike because of grades but welcomed Bonner (a criminal) with open arms? Ok.
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Cross wasn't grades. He and Hill are the same player and Hill was an EE. No one argues Cross is a great player. Right now, I wish we still had him.
 
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This class isn't nearly as bad as some on here are making it out to be. #17 in the country. How many 5-7 teams even made it in the "top 40"? I ask that assuming that these mythical recruiting rankings matter, which they really don't. Sure there's somewhat of a correlation between recruiting ranking and wins, but being #17 is just fine in that respect. I've seen Tennessee close with top classes, even the top one and end up with a losing record. Some people just need to grow up and quit gazing at the stars.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Dooley also said Palermo is one of the most respected D-line coaches in America. Would one of the "most respected D-line coaches in America really be coaching at MTSU? So we told Cross to take a hike because of grades but welcomed Bonner (a criminal) with open arms? Ok.
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I am not sure about Palermo I have never coached or played football under him so I can't be the judge of that.. But to label a 17 year old kid ( a criminal ) is pretty harsh I understand he screwed up big time, but we wasn't the only school that still wanted him.. Question if the kid never messes up again and goes on the have a good career at UT and leads a productive life will he still be considered a criminal all his life?? If that is the case should we just throw away every person that makes a mistake, just wondering??
 
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UTMark said:
Cross wasn't grades. He and Hill are the same player and Hill was an EE. No one argues Cross is a great player. Right now, I wish we still had him.
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Sorry I stand corrected, but that is what I took from Dooley's presser today, and yep might be nice to still have Cross on the Hill.. But I think we might be pleasantly Surprised at the running game this fall..
 
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OrebankVol said:
I am not sure about Palermo I have never coached or played football under him so I can't be the judge of that.. But to label a 17 year old kid ( a criminal ) is pretty harsh I understand he screwed up big time, but we wasn't the only school that still wanted him.. Question if the kid never messes up again and goes on the have a good career at UT and leads a productive life will he still be considered a criminal all his life?? If that is the case should we just throw away every person that makes a mistake, just wondering??
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Your right I only used the word "criminal" to emphasize the fact that I didn't believe the reason we dropped Cross was due to grades. Bonner was arrested and charged but criminal wasn't the best choice of words. I will try to edit
 
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GLDunlap said:
Your right I only used the word "criminal" to emphasize the fact that I didn't believe the reason we dropped Cross was due to grades. Bonner was arrested and charged but criminal wasn't the best choice of words. I will try to edit
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:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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#141
The Waco Kid said:
Here is the flip side for some of the morons............forgive me...............who are stargazers and class rankings homers.

Would you rather fill needs with quality 3 star kids who want to be Vols, or role the dice like Florida did this year, and go 0-5 on kids who had UF in their top 2, lay an egg at need positions (WR, OL, RB), but finish with a top 5 class?

Class rankings don't mean jack if you don't fill needs.
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Great post Waco. I wish some of our fans could see that!!!!
 
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#142
I honestly think 17th was pretty good for this years class considering everything that happened.....

People can argue over whos fault it was for everything that has happened over the last 18 months (totally understandable), but still think we did pretty good considering..

I think Hart may have had a hand in coaches leaving... I thought I read somewhere that he wasn't going to extend contract to certain coaches and they left... Could be wrong about the contract part though..
 
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GLDunlap said:
Do you realize we have lost a total 7 (4 star) recruits from 2010 and 2011 already. These guys helped push the classes higher but never actually contributed on the field and never will. This on top of the 09 disaster where virtually the entire class is gone.

Eddrick Loften (didn't qualified)
Dave Clark (didn't qualified)
Ted Meline (transferred)
Matt Milton (transferred)
John Brown (didn't qualified)
DeAnthony Arnett (transferred)
Pat Martin (transferred)

All schools have attrition but I'm thinking there has never been a school with as much of it as we have had the past three years.
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Come on. You HAVE to be smarter than that. You don't even call them "attrition" if they don't make it in.

But there was more attrition in Fulmer's 07 class alone had far more attrition than the 10-11 classe together.
 
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67volbabygirl said:
USC has a hefty recruiting advantage being the premier football school (by a longshot imo) in a talent rich state.

In the Pro Bowl last week, 18 players were products of California high schools. Florida was second with 11, and Texas had 9.
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In a typical year, there will be more 4/5* players from within 100 miles of LA than the whole state of TN will produce in 10 years.
 
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#145
ColoradoVol8 said:
the reason we are lower in the rankings this year is because we only have 20 players...and we are 17th. Last year we had 27 players and finished 13th. Dooley is still bringing in high caliber recruits
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Since Dooley only signed 21 he said he could back-count those 4 extras next season if needed. He also said in his presser he wasn't going to sign marginal players just to fill out his roster. But you can't convince the negavols of anything. We should have a good roster this fall. I hope (by now) our O-linemen can block somebody so our running backs have a chance to establish a decent running game.
 
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#146
67volbabygirl said:
Interesting note on Texas...

2011 #3
2010 #3
2009 #5
2007 #5
2006 #5
2002 #1

7 out of last ten years have had a top 5 recruiting class, but have only played for 2 national championships in the last ten years. (Again, I am in no way trying to compare the Vols to this), but it seems such a waste of talent.
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Good analysis. I'm here in Texas and seems like they have underachieved each year; lost Muschamp to FL last year too. Texans are irritated too.
 
#147
#147
ColoradoVol8 said:
the reason we are lower in the rankings this year is because we only have 20 players...and we are 17th. Last year we had 27 players and finished 13th. Dooley is still bringing in high caliber recruits
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I believe (and I maybe completely wrong) that Rivals only counts the top 20 highest rated players in their formula to determine class ranking. Right now people need to realize that our competition is the SEC east and we finished second in recruiting against them. We need to concentrate on winning the east at this point.
 
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To those of you complaining about finishing 17th...look how many players signed with the teams above us. The fact that we only signed 20 players resulted in lower total points. If you look at Average Star rankings, you'll see the progress...one that shows that we are building talented depth all over the team. As I said in another thread, some of you need to learn to do a little analysis before freaking out.
 
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#149
I don't trust that ranking because sometimes the difference between 5 and 10 can simply be one 5* recruit. Those rankings really don't amount to a hill of beans after NSD because if a team with 8 4*'s develop all of their guys, and a team with 11 lose half of theirs 2 years later, then the first team did a better job. Just look at our 2009 class. We have what, 8 left from that class? We were ranked 9th on NSD, but that doesn't mean jack squat to us right now.

It's really odd that we are ranked this low, when we flat out killed it in the positions of greatest need (save the LB position...I think Brewer may get a look there, as hes' built for it). I cannot believe we were able to get 3 monsters at DT, with all the turmoil in the program. We basically replaced Janzen Jackson with McNeil. Got a shut down corner in Bonner, and cleaned up like the school janitor at WR!

I'm as happy about this class as I've ever been, and that includes when we had a Top 5 haul. Big Mac, CP and Croom will be difference makers next fall.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
I don't trust that ranking because sometimes the difference between 5 and 10 can simply be one 5* recruit. Those rankings really don't amount to a hill of beans after NSD because if a team with 8 4*'s develop all of their guys, and a team with 11 lose half of theirs 2 years later, then the first team did a better job. Just look at our 2009 class. We have what, 8 left from that class? We were ranked 9th on NSD, but that doesn't mean jack squat to us right now.
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I'm a big fan of the re-ranking the sites do after a signing class graduates. It's a very telling picture...especially for a class so well ranked on signing day, like Kiffin's first.
 
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