To the pundits who said coaching at UT wasn't as appealing as we might think

#28
#28
Vol1312 said:
So would you rather have Gruden or Cowher for 4-5mil a year and a average staff or kiffin for 2.5mil and easily the top 5 recruiting and coaching staff in the nation?
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matts42012volfan said:
Ill take this staff!
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orangefreak said:
They woould have never been able to put this staff together!!
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Truth is with Davis', Cowher's and Gruden's coaching experience and NFL connections, they could have assembled a quality staff as well.
Would we have Monte, probably not he's not any of their fathers.

We aren't going to know for 2-3 years how this plays out, once all these great recruiters can start getting us top recruits and turn them into SEC caliber and Nationallly competetive teams.

But this simply started as a response to who's eating crow, and I say it's way too early to say that.

51 weeks ago, everyone's excited about a new Offensive coordinator, he said all the right things in his press conference's. Words thrown around to describe him:
smart, intelligent, brillant offensive mind, potential HC
and we see how that turned out
 
#29
#29
vol_in_ar said:
Truth is with Davis', Cowher's and Gruden's coaching experience and NFL connections, they could have assembled a quality staff as well.Would we have Monte, probably not he's not any of their fathers.

We aren't going to know for 2-3 years how this plays out, once all these great recruiters can start getting us top recruits and turn them into SEC caliber and Nationallly competetive teams.

But this simply started as a response to who's eating crow, and I say it's way too early to say that.

51 weeks ago, everyone's excited about a new Offensive coordinator, he said all the right things in his press conference's. Words thrown around to describe him:
smart, intelligent, brillant offensive mind, potential HC
and we see how that turned out
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Butch Davis does not have a staff that is close to ours now even if you remove Monte! Bill Cowher turned us down just like he has turned down numerous NFL teams lately. Jon Gruden is just a figurehead and turned us down and would not have been able to get some of the coaches we have now.

The probably not because Monte is not one of their fathers comments wreaks of jealousy of either a non 100% Vol fan or possibly a Fulmerite with sour grapes.

I was not excited about the Clawson hire and suspected it would either be Fulmers death sentence or his scapegoat. Trying to switch an offense with players recruited for a non spread offense to a spread was insane and PF should have known better. I will take the accolades being thrown at our current staff by people with more clout then PF or University of Richmond.

Does our current staff make us destined to be great? only time will tell but I for one like our chances much better then I did over the previous staff or if we would have hired Butch Davis or Brian Kelly, who both are good coaches but the staff would have not been as impressive. Great position coaches/recruiters is something that has been missing on the hill for years.
 
#30
#30
We've recruited well, Lane, O, Reaves, and Monte just needs to carry on that tradition.
The most glaring thing about this hire, is not the excitment that Lane brought, but the fact that he brought Monte with him

He still needs to deliver on the offensive side of the ball
 
#32
#32
I would just like to state for the record that i was not
one of the detractors who thought that.It was mostly the Hard core,time for a coaching change pundits who used that kind of thinking to facilitate their point of view that the previous coaching staff had degraded the program to the point that no one would want to coach here.

Well they were wrong........:p
 
#35
#35
vol_in_ar said:
yes, and their proven head coaches
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I don't see Davis with an equivilent staff. At this point the hiring may not be better than Butch, but at the very least it is a push.

Once Garner is back in Orange, it will be hard to listen to anyone knock the Kiffin hire.
 
#37
#37
GmanTN said:
Butch Davis does not have a staff that is close to ours now even if you remove Monte! Bill Cowher turned us down just like he has turned down numerous NFL teams lately. Jon Gruden is just a figurehead and turned us down and would not have been able to get some of the coaches we have now.

The probably not because Monte is not one of their fathers comments wreaks of jealousy of either a non 100% Vol fan or possibly a Fulmerite with sour grapes.

I was not excited about the Clawson hire and suspected it would either be Fulmers death sentence or his scapegoat. Trying to switch an offense with players recruited for a non spread offense to a spread was insane and PF should have known better. I will take the accolades being thrown at our current staff by people with more clout then PF or University of Richmond.

Does our current staff make us destined to be great? only time will tell but I for one like our chances much better then I did over the previous staff or if we would have hired Butch Davis or Brian Kelly, who both are good coaches but the staff would have not been as impressive. Great position coaches/recruiters is something that has been missing on the hill for years.
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I have read this about a dozen times and I still don't understand the point you were trying to make.
 
#39
#39
vol_in_ar said:
Kiffin's
still not
Gruden
Cowher
Davis
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If the staff ends up as good as people think it may, he may be as good of a hire as Davis or better. The Browns and Jets weren't good enough for Cowher. Gruden already has a job at a high level, and he seems fine there.
 
#40
#40
Lexvol said:
I don't see Davis with an equivilent staff. At this point the hiring may not be better than Butch, but at the very least it is a push.

Once Garner is back in Orange, it will be hard to listen to anyone knock the Kiffin hire.
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tvolsfan said:
If the staff ends up as good as people think it may, he may be as good of a hire as Davis or better. The Browns and Jets weren't good enough for Cowher. Gruden already has a job at a high level, and he seems fine there.
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It will all come down to the product they put on the field, and winning
 
#41
#41
This staff recruitment reminds me of the movie Field of Dreams.....if you build it, they will come.

I only hope we will be able to see it!
 
#42
#42
vol_in_ar said:
Truth is with Davis', Cowher's and Gruden's coaching experience and NFL connections, they could have assembled a quality staff as well.
Would we have Monte, probably not he's not any of their fathers.
We aren't going to know for 2-3 years how this plays out, once all these great recruiters can start getting us top recruits and turn them into SEC caliber and Nationallly competetive teams.

But this simply started as a response to who's eating crow, and I say it's way too early to say that.

51 weeks ago, everyone's excited about a new Offensive coordinator, he said all the right things in his press conference's. Words thrown around to describe him:
smart, intelligent, brillant offensive mind, potential HC
and we see how that turned out
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Midfielder10 said:
I need a translator for that statement.
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Hopefully this clears the confusion
 
#43
#43
vol_in_ar said:
51 weeks ago, everyone's excited about a new Offensive coordinator, he said all the right things in his press conference's. Words thrown around to describe him:
smart, intelligent, brillant offensive mind, potential HC
and we see how that turned out
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Except the guys Kiffin is hiring now have established themselves at Division 1 or NFL level.
 
#44
#44
vol_in_ar said:
Truth is with Davis', Cowher's and Gruden's coaching experience and NFL connections, they could have assembled a quality staff as well.
Would we have Monte, probably not he's not any of their fathers.

We aren't going to know for 2-3 years how this plays out, once all these great recruiters can start getting us top recruits and turn them into SEC caliber and Nationallly competetive teams.

But this simply started as a response to who's eating crow, and I say it's way too early to say that.

51 weeks ago, everyone's excited about a new Offensive coordinator, he said all the right things in his press conference's. Words thrown around to describe him:
smart, intelligent, brillant offensive mind, potential HC
and we see how that turned out
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You are exactly right! But this hire is looking better. You have to excuse the serious kool aid drinkers on this board because they pile on quick if anyone doesn't act like a lemming.
 
#45
#45
3L with debt said:
You are exactly right! But this hire is looking better. You have to excuse the serious kool aid drinkers on this board because they pile on quick if anyone doesn't act like a lemming.
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exactl, no better example than the Clawson hire
 
#46
#46
vol_in_ar said:
Kiffin's
still not
Gruden
Cowher
Davis
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Funny thing is, these guys had no HC experience when they were hired.

Gruden, no HC or OC experience when he was hired at OAK
Cowher, never a HC before Pitt
Davis, never a HC before Miami

Just because these guys are proven doesn't make them better.
 
#48
#48
vol_in_ar said:
The common measuring stick for coaches, their record says they are better
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Their record where? In the NFL? Butch's doesn't and are you really considering it fair to compare a guy who coached a little over a year and guys that have won Super Bowls? A more fair comparison would be in comparing where Gruden, Cowher or Davis was when they were 33. None of them were as advanced in their career or as successful as Kiffin.
 
#49
#49
OK, if Kiffin wins the SEC one year, are you going to say, "Davis, Gruden, and Cowher would have done it faster"?
 
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