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As an example, I'll point back at the cop in Florida who pulled the kid over for the middle finger. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That particular incident wasn't necessarily a big deal. What it did though was show us that he didn't mind fabricating probable cause*. Not let's say a couple weeks later that guy is involved in one of these incidents. He's already showed me he's a liar so I can't believe a word he says. Point being... Start flushing guys like that out and maybe I'll start trusting LE again. It'll be better for both parties.

*Volbeast... Let's please skip the BS about the seatbelt. That wasn't why the guy was detained. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Can we please skip that song and dance this time?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
As an example, I'll point back at the cop in Florida who pulled the kid over for the middle finger. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That particular incident wasn't necessarily a big deal. What it did though was show us that he didn't mind fabricating probable cause*. Not let's say a couple weeks later that guy is involved in one of these incidents. He's already showed me he's a liar so I can't believe a word he says. Point being... Start flushing guys like that out and maybe I'll start trusting LE again. It'll be better for both parties.

*Volbeast... Let's please skip the BS about the seatbelt. That wasn't why the guy was detained. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Can we please skip that song and dance this time?
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Or the cop in Utah that said "stop" and the guy turned around and said "no, fool" so the cop naturally shot and killed him.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I actually felt a little out of my comfort zone as an avowed cop hater lol
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So saying "I would want some sort of actual proof that a cop is a cop before I put down my firearm if I was literally just attacked" makes you uncomfortable?

What GV said is about what I would do. I would stay on the line with 911 and ask them to relay on that I am armed and wearing X clothing and ask the dispatch the names of the cops that are responding.

I don't know if a dispatch would do that or if the responding cop would have the patience and respect to acknowledge a homeowners right to defend his home and verify that a police officer isn't an intruder.

That's it.

It's very easy to impersonate a cop and to Hell if a guy is going to roll up in my house and get me to give him the keys to the kingdom simply because he said "I'm a cop".

Because that does happen (albeit not every day):

Home intruders impersonate police officers - FOX 35 News Orlando

Sheriff: Intruders impersonate officers | www.whio.com

Two men arrested for impersonation in the best fake cop car you’ve ever seen | KFOR.com

Police: Intruders posing as cops - Tucson Citizen Morgue, Part 2 (1993-2009)

It's a bad reality for a home owner, to be honest.

If you are so trained to hear "it's the cops" you just lay down on the ground it's going to be a very bad time if the folks at your door are not cops.

Now, given those instances aren't people coming up to a house right after calling 911... the homeowner was just attacked and exchanged fire.

Some things, as a citizen, do bother me about this and GV did a good job sort of touching on them.

- 911 should have had a description of the homeowner to be relayed to the responding officers

- Homeowner or 911 should have ascertained if the homeowner was himself armed.

Those are obviously critical details that will play a part in my belief system that cops should:

- Survey the scene, ascertain danger, seek to de-escalate the situation and only use lethal force if necessary.

It's a bad situation because, even if the homeowner identified himself as the homeowner... well, certain factors are working against him in this day and age.

And I think that's the other ugly side of the coin that people are squeamish to talk about.
 
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My answer is real simple. I don't call the cops. If I ever do, it's because I'll need them to come pick up the mess and fill out a police report for insurance purposes. End of story.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
As an example, I'll point back at the cop in Florida who pulled the kid over for the middle finger. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That particular incident wasn't necessarily a big deal. What it did though was show us that he didn't mind fabricating probable cause*. Not let's say a couple weeks later that guy is involved in one of these incidents. He's already showed me he's a liar so I can't believe a word he says. Point being... Start flushing guys like that out and maybe I'll start trusting LE again. It'll be better for both parties.

*Volbeast... Let's please skip the BS about the seatbelt. That wasn't why the guy was detained. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Can we please skip that song and dance this time?
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The point is I have zero and I mean zero problem with what that cop did.....the guy was being a jack&ss and the cop called him on it....he didn't give him a citation, arrest him, beat him, tazer him or anything else....I know u feel it is a stepping stone to the cop doing some of the above but I do not.
 
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I love when I pulled over for going 10 over and the cop is dressed in SWAT gear and crew cut ... What a joke...
 
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volbeast33 said:
The point is I have zero and I mean zero problem with what that cop did.....the guy was being a jack&ss and the cop called him on it....he didn't give him a citation, arrest him, beat him, tazer him or anything else....I know u feel it is a stepping stone to the cop doing some of the above but I do not.
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That's not the point I was making. I don't at all think this means he's a killer*. It just means he's set the precedent that he'll bend the truth (that's the nicest way I could put it) to alter the narrative to his liking. So if he's involved in a shooting a few months later with no witnesses, wtf should we take his word about what happened?

*Though he's probably not a killer, he is a douchebag. I watched that video again and f that guy. I sincerely hope he gets gonorrhea.
 
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volbeast33 said:
The point is I have zero and I mean zero problem with what that cop did.....the guy was being a jack&ss and the cop called him on it....he didn't give him a citation, arrest him, beat him, tazer him or anything else....I know u feel it is a stepping stone to the cop doing some of the above but I do not.
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Also the coward "called him out" with a a group of fellow gang members behind him and did it knowing the guy had no choice but to let him.

Wonder if he'd have the balls to do that minus the badge and backup to somebody who wouldn't be caged if they didn't just let him? I'm guessing not.
 
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agent|orange said:
So saying "I would want some sort of actual proof that a cop is a cop before I put down my firearm if I was literally just attacked" makes you uncomfortable?

What GV said is about what I would do. I would stay on the line with 911 and ask them to relay on that I am armed and wearing X clothing and ask the dispatch the names of the cops that are responding.

I don't know if a dispatch would do that or if the responding cop would have the patience and respect to acknowledge a homeowners right to defend his home and verify that a police officer isn't an intruder.

That's it.

It's very easy to impersonate a cop and to Hell if a guy is going to roll up in my house and get me to give him the keys to the kingdom simply because he said "I'm a cop".

Because that does happen (albeit not every day):

Home intruders impersonate police officers - FOX 35 News Orlando

Sheriff: Intruders impersonate officers | www.whio.com

Two men arrested for impersonation in the best fake cop car you’ve ever seen | KFOR.com

Police: Intruders posing as cops - Tucson Citizen Morgue, Part 2 (1993-2009)

It's a bad reality for a home owner, to be honest.

If you are so trained to hear "it's the cops" you just lay down on the ground it's going to be a very bad time if the folks at your door are not cops.

Now, given those instances aren't people coming up to a house right after calling 911... the homeowner was just attacked and exchanged fire.

Some things, as a citizen, do bother me about this and GV did a good job sort of touching on them.

- 911 should have had a description of the homeowner to be relayed to the responding officers

- Homeowner or 911 should have ascertained if the homeowner was himself armed.

Those are obviously critical details that will play a part in my belief system that cops should:

- Survey the scene, ascertain danger, seek to de-escalate the situation and only use lethal force if necessary.

It's a bad situation because, even if the homeowner identified himself as the homeowner... well, certain factors are working against him in this day and age.

And I think that's the other ugly side of the coin that people are squeamish to talk about.
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The scenario you are painting with people impersonating cops knocking on your door is the exact reason why I don't agree with cops pulling people over at night on a dark highway. You open up the possibility of people getting attacked by cop impersonators.

Maury Co. Search Continues For Yellow Camaro Police Impersonator - NewsChannel5.com
 
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Cdywolfe said:
That's not the point I was making. I don't at all think this means he's a killer*. It just means he's set the precedent that he'll bend the truth (that's the nicest way I could put it) to alter the narrative to his liking. So if he's involved in a shooting a few months later with no witnesses, wtf should we take his word about what happened?

*Though he's probably not a killer, he is a douchebag. I watched that video again and f that guy. I sincerely hope he gets gonorrhea.
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Thanks for the example of how adults post!
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Also the coward "called him out" with a a group of fellow gang members behind him and did it knowing the guy had no choice but to let him.

Wonder if he'd have the balls to do that minus the badge and backup to somebody who wouldn't be caged if they didn't just let him? I'm guessing not.
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Over the top much????
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Also the coward "called him out" with a a group of fellow gang members behind him and did it knowing the guy had no choice but to let him.

Wonder if he'd have the balls to do that minus the badge and backup to somebody who wouldn't be caged if they didn't just let him? I'm guessing not.
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Also judging by the video of the cop and the guy doing the bird flipping....I'm putting my money on the cop whipping his a$$ if they went one on one....
 
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