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MercyPercy said:
Drugs are not agents that can make decisions or take actions. Your argument is as dumb as "see what guns do to people and families." Drugs, and guns, are only held responsible for the actions of people by other people who do not want to acknowledge the personal responsibility of the user of the drug or the wielder of the gun.

I don't care if someone owns and shoots firearms as long as they don't shoot me. I don't care if someone owns and smokes crack as long as they aren't bothering me. This should be the mindset of anyone who supports real freedom.
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I work in a healthcare related field and I have seen drugs cause people to violent that aren't normally....I have also seen personally experience that turned a friend into a thief and destroyed his family....I'm ok with legalizing them but not positive it won't make things worse.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Aren't all parents on the honors system? Do people constantly check in on you to ensure you're spending money on your kids?

Perhaps the government should tax 20% of your pay and give it to your children.
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The govt doesn't have to check on me.....I support my daughter that doesn't live with me, my son that does and two step kids that their dead beat dad doesn't help out with.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What if the govt feels you are not giving/supporting her enough? The govt is the one setting the price you pay.
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It's a formula that takes into account how much both parents make and figures out the responsibility of both parents....not ideal but they have to do something with as many deadbeat dads are out there
 
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volbeast33 said:
It's a formula that takes into account how much both parents make and figures out the responsibility of both parents....not ideal but they have to do something with as many deadbeat dads are out there
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I still think you're a deadbeat dad. I don't like the thought of you being on the honors system. The government should take 20% of your check to ensure your kids are taken care of.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you're on the honor system, right? We just take your word for it?
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No I have a court order for what I have to pay but I exceed that monthly.....told my ex I wasn't going to court any more over this......I would give her the original support order, and pay for anything else my daughter needs....if she ever tried making this a court battle, she would never get any extra from me besides what the court ordered....never had an issue
 
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volbeast33 said:
No I have a court order for what I have to pay but I exceed that monthly.....told my ex I wasn't going to court any more over this......I would give her the original support order, and pay for anything else my daughter needs....if she ever tried making this a court battle, she would never get any extra from me besides what the court ordered....never had an issue
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I'm talking about the kids who live with you.
 
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volbeast33 said:
No I have a court order for what I have to pay but I exceed that monthly.....told my ex I wasn't going to court any more over this......I would give her the original support order, and pay for anything else my daughter needs....if she ever tried making this a court battle, she would never get any extra from me besides what the court ordered....never had an issue
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So are you paying extra for the sake of your daughter... or paying extra to pacify your ex and stay out of court?

You're a victim and don't know it.

There are plenty of men out here that can only pay the minimum, yet they are labeled by men like you as deadbeats because they are not able to pacify their wives or make the court ordered payments.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
To be honest, you've been dehumanizing victims of police brutality and saying you aren't backing the cops, which is worse than unconditionally backing the cops.

Your EXACT words were that the victim is always a dumbass.

Do me a favor, CP. Do a quick read on Darrien Hunt and tell me why he's a dumbass. If you say "well, don't run from the cops," tell me why I should trust a grown ass man running at me with a gun drawn, when I've done nothing, just because they have a badge. That's sheeple mentality. Sheeple.
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Gimme a break Dink.... Tell me ONE good thing that can come from running from the cops? Getting away?..... Not likely to happen.... And everyone knows an ass kicking or worse follows when they catch you....right or wrong if you're dumb enough to run that makes you a dumbass. It doesn't dehumanize anyone it simply means they made their situation worse be acting like s dumbass....
I did as you asked and looked at a few articles on Darrien Hunt. Here's a passage from one of them:

(KUTV) A man who witnessed the confrontation between Saratoga Springs police and 22-year-old Darrien Hunt says it didn't happen exactly the way police are describing.

Hunt was shot and killed by Saratoga Springs police September 10. Police said Hunt was carrying a large sword at the time.

Wednesday, the Utah County Attorney's Office unsealed a search warrant in this case. In it they included statements from two witnesses who say Hunt swung the sword at officers.

“It’s very disturbing that the young man lost his life,” said Leonard "John" Zogg, one of those witnesses. But he told 2News the search warrant released by the county attorney’s office "didn't reflect some of the information that I shared with the police."

In the affidavit, Zogg is described as saying Hunt pulled out his sword and “swung it” at one of the officers. But Zogg says that's not true.

“I only saw the flash of the sword as it was unsheathed,” Zogg said. He also said he told police “that officers didn't shoot until he was running away.” However, the affidavit states shots were fired and then Hunt took off running.

“I don't know what to make of it,” Zogg said. “I was kind of surprised.”

The affidavit also states one of the officers at the scene said he "had to stop Mr. Hunt before he was able to hurt or kill someone."

The document also said Hunt had written a Facebook message prior to the incident saying, “I have a sword and I'm going to get shot.”

“Let’s assume he wants to commit suicide by cop, does that change anything?” said Hunt family attorney Bob Sykes at a news conference Wednesday. “No, it does not because he is a fleeing felon.”

But University of Utah law professor Paul Cassell, who is not connected to this case, offers a different view.

“Utah law allows police officers to shoot fleeing felons provided that fleeing felon poses an immediate risk,” Cassell said. He also said it's important to wait until all the facts come out.

“It’s really hard until you know exactly what happened to make a conclusion one way or the other,” said Cassell.
Back at Zogg's house, he's still perplexed.

“I never heard anybody holler ‘stop,’ never heard any loud dialogue that would distract people that are in the middle of a tense situation,” Zogg said.

Another witness reportedly saw what happened. According to the affidavit, she told police Hunt swung the sword “very hard” at one of the officers. 2News was unable to contact that witness.
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One witness saw the flash of the sword as it was unsheathed and another "reportedly"says she saw Hunt swing it at the cops.....add in the alleged Facebook post and it appears this story might not be as the media initially made it appear.
If what the witness said is true..... That he unsheathed the sword.... He qualifies as a dumbass....
 
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Ras has a respectable argument on the child support. If the dad is behind throwing him in jail only makes matters worse especially if he's had a history of actually paying.
 
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Some of you seem to be hanging on to some sort of false notion that in the event of a confrontation the police are supposed to give the suspect a fair chance to win. Like there's some kind of honor at issue.

If you threaten deadly force, they will use deadly force to eliminate the threat.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Some of you seem to be hanging on to some sort of false notion that in the event of a confrontation the police are supposed to give the suspect a fair chance to win. Like there's some kind of honor at issue.

If you threaten deadly force, they will use deadly force to eliminate the threat.
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In most of these cases, the suspect did not threaten the officer with deadly force.
 
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Settlement Won’t Even Cover Medical Bills for Baby Whose Face was Blown Apart by Police Grenade

In Los Angeles, settlements to resolve lawsuits against the LAPD amount to over one billion dollars a year. Across the country in New York City, a lawsuit is filed every two and a half hours against the NYPD. They are sued so often, in fact, that the city comptroller, Scott Stringer, said that the 2015 budget would have to include $674 million dollars for settlements and judgments against the police. The budget allotted for police negligence and misconduct is more than the budget for the Parks Department, Department of Aging, and the New York Public Library combined.

In October of last year, documents released by the New York City Law Department after a FOIA request was submitted by MuckRock showed over 12,000 cases against the NYPD since 2009. Over $428,000,000 was paid in settlements in these cases over only five years.

As of 2014, the city of Chicago had also paid out nearly a half a billion dollars in settlements over the past decade.

The money for settlements relating to abuse and negligence at the hands of police officers is not paid by the officers who inflicted the damages, but by taxpayers. It is for this reason that it is important to push for legislation requiring police to carry personal liability insurance.

Activists pushing for this change believe that if the money for these settlements came from the police themselves, to protect their own wallets, they would be more likely to refrain from abuse. If an officer caused too many settlements, he or she would also eventually become uninsurable, and be forced off duty.
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Interesting idea
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Ras has a respectable argument on the child support. If the dad is behind throwing him in jail only makes matters worse especially if he's had a history of actually paying.
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That would be true if they threw everyone in jail that missed a child support payment but it's not.......u have to be pretty far behind before the court will hear the case and even then they only put u in jail as a last resort.....for example: if the guy shows the court that he lost his job, tried to find new work, wanted to get the amount u owed lowered but couldn't afford a lawyer......the court will work with u and lower future child support payments based on new income numbers but u will still have to pay the arrears...the courts will set up a new payment plan for u.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So are you paying extra for the sake of your daughter... or paying extra to pacify your ex and stay out of court?

You're a victim and don't know it.

There are plenty of men out here that can only pay the minimum, yet they are labeled by men like you as deadbeats because they are not able to pacify their wives or make the court ordered payments.
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Bc I love my daughter but I'm not going to play games with her mom......I don't label men that pay what they can deadbeats.....
 
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volbeast33 said:
Bc I love my daughter but I'm not going to play games with her mom......I don't label men that pay what they can deadbeats.....
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Your ability to pay doesn't mean you love your daughter anymore than someone else who paid the minimum of what the courts ordered, but still wasn't enough for the mother. Consider your situation to be the exception, where you apparently are able to pacify your ex with extra payments that (right now) are keeping you out of court. The very fact that you admit you pay extra to pacify her indicates a problem with the system. Unfortunately, some guys may be doing their part, but fall behind thru no fault of their own (bad economy, layoff, bad weather for some careers in construction, etc) and have to deal with a mother and a court system that doesn't care about their situation. And you are correct, if they fall in arrears, that doesn't go away. In a normal situation, if a man goes through a downturn in income, the family usually goes without or makes adjustments until dad is back on his feet... but the dad isn't expected to make catch up payments on the previous months change in lifestyle. If a father in the home chooses to cut out $120 cable bill and they spend $80 less a month on groceries and gas for 6 months, is that father in arrears for $1200 ($200 X 6 months)?
 
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The thing with child support is if the woman has custody the guy has to somehow come up with $150 a week. If something happens and the guy gets custody the woman might have to pay $50. Has monetary support for the child somehow changed?
 
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Bigurnge said:
The thing with child support is if the woman has custody the guy has to somehow come up with $150 a week. If something happens and the guy gets custody the woman might have to pay $50. Has monetary support for the child somehow changed?
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That's not true....it's based off your income and it goes straight into a formula....doesn't matter what sex u r
 
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