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Dr Dread said:
Could you please explain how she was "definitely in the wrong"? When you look at the news report where they show the house were the police were standing, you can't even see the house that she was in front of. How far back does she need to be if she chooses to record?
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If I see a different video then I might feel diffrently about it......the ones I have seen, she is standing just a few ft behind the cops involved in arresting the gang members. I still find it very interesting that the person that shot the video had it trained on the woman the whole time instead of the cops arresting the gang members.
 
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volbeast33 said:
So a woman is driving drunk with her child in the car.....cop tries to arrest her , she resists and he has to get more aggressive. The bad part of this story is not the police's actions but that the woman was driving drunk with her child in the car.
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I don't know why anybody wants to fight the police on the spot? Just get in the police car handcuffed & go downtown peacefully. Get yourself booked in & then a couple hours later make bond.....what's so hard about it. Go before a judge w/a 10 cent lawyer like LG & let him speak for you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The same horse manure I'm slinging right now... why in the hell are we going on high speed chases trying to catch rolling stop sign violators at midnight?

In other words, there was multiple layers of stupidity mixed in with this one incident.
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At least you finally now realise what you are saying is horse manure.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
This will take us back to my lack of faith in our "justice" system.
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Still, the picture you posted implies you are a dingbat that doesn't understand the process. And I know you're smarter than that.

You may not agree with the decision and I respect that. But this one was much clearer than NYC and even Ferguson. And it does suck that a young man lost his life in the process.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Still, the picture you posted implies you are a dingbat that doesn't understand the process. And I know you're smarter than that.

You may not agree with the decision and I respect that. But this one was much clearer than NYC and even Ferguson. And it does suck that a young man lost his life in the process.
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Me posting the meme was basically a commentary on the general situation, not just that one case.

The sounds of the mother wailing in that video haunts me.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Me posting the meme was basically a commentary on the general situation, not just that one case.

The sounds of the mother wailing in that video haunts me.
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Every mother of a dead child is going to be wailing like that....Mike Brown's mother was the same way.....Emotion's have to be taken out of the equation when determining if the police were justified in their actions.....Nobody wants anyone to die as all life is valuable.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Every mother of a dead child is going to be wailing like that....Mike Brown's mother was the same way.....Emotion's have to be taken out of the equation when determining if the police were justified in their actions.....Nobody wants anyone to die as all life is valuable.
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Michael Browns mother was not right there when he was killed.

Past that, now that I've viewed the entire video we can see the size of these two cops. Two guys that happen to be trained law enforcement officers that likely go 225lbs a piece couldn't subdue one mentally ill guy?
It was addressed before in this thread, it was their complacency that lead to that guys death. Period.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/2015/04/22/eye-of-the-storm/

I felt nauseous while reading this.
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You probably should feel nauseous. This stuck out in my mind that blows his pet theory right out of the water:

Did Slager tamper with evidence as speculated? If so, that will play a role regarding his credibility. Or, is there another explanation for these alleged actions?
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How can anyone, especially someone with supposed 31 years of service, ignore picking up the object which allegedly started the deadly force encounter, move it and place it right next to the body? What other possibly motive would there be for that? Especially knowing that the area would become a crime scene and the positioning of said objects would be critical in determining if deadly force was authorized.

To quote a line from a famous cop movie "Don't lump us in with that ****ing Martian."
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/2015/04/22/eye-of-the-storm/

I felt nauseous while reading this.
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I heard one guy when I was in say:

"I don't feel bad for Haditha. We just have to kill all the [removed slur for Iraqis] before they kill us. Even if they haven't done anything or aren't thinking about it, we have to show them who is boss."

The wording, the prose and the sentiment reeked of Einsatzgruppen. Thankfully, every other Marine in the room felt the same and a SNCO completely eviscerated him. About a year later he cycled out due to mental issues.

This cops commentary reminds me of that guy. That guy that was unfit to represent America to Iraqis. This guy is pitching the same "(*&#@ all of them. They'll obey me or I'll stick my boot up their asses".

When I was over there, if we saw a kid playing with a pile of rubble and then run away... we wouldn't do anything. Here? That's enough for that kid to be executed in cold blood. Who care what he was doing the suspicion is enough for some itchy trigger finger to waste someone.

While law enforcement always needs to justify its’ actions, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Eric Harris, and Walter Scott would be alive today had they not fled or resisted.
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Subject yourself or resist and die, subjects.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You probably should feel nauseous. This stuck out in my mind that blows his pet theory right out of the water:



How can anyone, especially someone with supposed 31 years of service, ignore picking up the object which allegedly started the deadly force encounter, move it and place it right next to the body? What other possibly motive would there be for that? Especially knowing that the area would become a crime scene and the positioning of said objects would be critical in determining if deadly force was authorized.

To quote a line from a famous cop movie "Don't lump us in with that ****ing Martian."
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I appreciate your stance on this. It's just getting harder and harder for me to see things like this. I've pretty much said that there are no "good cops", but there are good people who unfortunately are cops. Perhaps it's those chaps who should rethink their profession, and become private security. This will eventually boil over and it's not gonna be pretty.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I appreciate your stance on this. It's just getting harder and harder for me to see things like this. I've pretty much said that there are no "good cops", but there are good people who unfortunately are cops. Perhaps it's those chaps who should rethink their profession, and become private security. This will eventually boil over and it's not gonna be pretty.
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I honestly didn't think I'd see a cop come out in defense of that shooting until I read the article you linked.

He's on the fence, but justification is what he's searching for. And I tried to comment on the article, but apparently they are disabled.
 
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#5,946
Yep, getting harder and harder. For the record, I don't seek this stuff out, it's sent to me. It really wears on a guy who believes in freedom.

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Dashcam video shows unarmed man being shot by PBSO deputy - wptv.com



"Stop what you're doing and comply with us,” he told reporters. "There's nothing in the rules of engagement that says we have to put our lives in jeopardy to wait to find out what this is to get killed."
Smdh.
 
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Contrast this with the Rules of Engagement for our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq:

The rules of engagement place the burden on U.S. air and ground troops to confirm with certainty that a Taliban fighter is armed before they can fire — even if they are 100 percent sure the target is the enemy.
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The US military values the lives of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis more than some of our own police departments domestically do. I can't tell you how much it drives me insane.

And then I have to listen to how much of a self-professed hero complex some of these guys have? I have respect for firefighters. I respect guys that run into a building with an unknown collapse time to save a life or 2. I respect that.

I have quickly diminishing respect for cops the more and more and more and more and more and more and more domestic filming, dashcams and otherwise show that a decent to good number of cops are nothing but jacked up bullies that know they have the abuse of the law on their side.

They're cowards.

NOTE: Not all cops are cowards. There are plenty out there that handle themselves with a sense of rationality and an overarching sense of service to the community. They are paragons of the police force that should be lauded.

The abusers should be sentenced to the maximum available. They're educated and trained to uphold the law. Any abuse of that from a position of trust is disgusting. Any other profession that uses their status as a position of authority to abuse get held to stricter sentences.

It's time to send these cowards and bullies to prison. They'll be popular in there, I'm sure.
 
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agent|orange said:
Contrast this with the Rules of Engagement for our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq:



The US military values the lives of innocent Iraqis and Afghanis more than some of our own police departments domestically do. I can't tell you how much it drives me insane.

And then I have to listen to how much of a self-professed hero complex some of these guys have? I have respect for firefighters. I respect guys that run into a building with an unknown collapse time to save a life or 2. I respect that.

I have quickly diminishing respect for cops the more and more and more and more and more and more and more domestic filming, dashcams and otherwise show that a decent to good number of cops are nothing but jacked up bullies that know they have the abuse of the law on their side.

They're cowards.

NOTE: Not all cops are cowards. There are plenty out there that handle themselves with a sense of rationality and an overarching sense of service to the community. They are paragons of the police force that should be lauded.

The abusers should be sentenced to the maximum available. They're educated and trained to uphold the law. Any abuse of that from a position of trust is disgusting. Any other profession that uses their status as a position of authority to abuse get held to stricter sentences.

It's time to send these cowards and bullies to prison. They'll be popular in there, I'm sure.
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What are u talking about? The military kills innocent people all the time....our president was on tv today apologizing for our drone killing innocent people....this past week there was a remembrance of pat Tillman who was killed by friendly fire.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly didn't think I'd see a cop come out in defense of that shooting until I read the article you linked.

He's on the fence, but justification is what he's searching for. And I tried to comment on the article, but apparently they are disabled.
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I'm not taking this guys side at all bc I think he is a murderer and needs to be in jail but I did see a report the other day that had a reason for him picking up the tazer that sounded possible...wish i remembered the website or what it was
 
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volbeast33 said:
I'm not taking this guys side at all bc I think he is a murderer and needs to be in jail but I did see a report the other day that had a reason for him picking up the tazer that sounded possible...wish i remembered the website or what it was
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The only reason to pick up the Taser was to secure it.

And yet, he put it back down right next to the body. You don't mess up anything within a crime scene. And all deadly force situations become automatic crime scenes. You leave all the evidence where it is (unless it poses an immediate threat to the public) to be recorded, cataloged and tagged.
 
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