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Carl Pickens said:
He was no Mike Tyson either. I think he slapped the tazer out of his hand and the cop way overreacted.
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He might have slapped the tazer out of his hands. Still no reason to shoot the guy.

Cops need to be held to a higher PT standard and trained better.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And if he had run him down and tackled him, it would have been justified. I would then say the guy was responsible for getting tackled.
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Tackled him and knocked him on the head with his baton for the trouble would have been acceptable.

Or even let him run away and got him later.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
I'm not a police officer, you should try that the next time you're confronted by a cop and get back to me.😜
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n_huffhines said:
Not responsible for getting shot. That's 100% on the officer and you can't take that away from him. He is responsible for his own actions. He is responsible for running from the police, and whatever just consequences that entails, but that does not include getting shot. He is not responsible for that at all.

It's like saying I yelled at my neighbor and my neighbor shot me. Yeah my neighbor wouldn't have shot me if I didn't yell at him, but in no way am I responsible for the result.
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Your analogy doesn't make sense. Did the guy deserve to die? No, however he knew that there would be consequences to his actions, correct? If the answer is yes then he bears a portion of the responsibility. If he had fled in a car with the police in pursuit, eventually crashed and died is it100% the officers fault?
 
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jp1 said:
Your analogy doesn't make sense. Did the guy deserve to die? No, however he knew that there would be consequences to his actions, correct? If the answer is yes then he bears a portion of the responsibility. If he had fled in a car with the police in pursuit, eventually crashed and died is it100% the officers fault?
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A portion, yes. But only a small portion.
 
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vols-1 said:
Guy's dead just because he didn't want to pay child support:hmm:

"Mr. Scott had been arrested about 10 times, mostly for failing to pay child support or show up for court hearings, according to The Post and Courier newspaper of Charleston. He was arrested in 1987 on an assault and battery charge and convicted in 1991 of possession of a bludgeon, the newspaper reported. Mr. Scott’s brother, Anthony, said he believed Mr. Scott had fled from the police on Saturday because he owed child support."
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Now the state will have to pay for the coming civil rights lawsuits and the care of the kids.
 
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jp1 said:
Your analogy doesn't make sense. Did the guy deserve to die? No, however he knew that there would be consequences to his actions, correct? If the answer is yes then he bears a portion of the responsibility. If he had fled in a car with the police in pursuit, eventually crashed and died is it100% the officers fault?
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No, because crashing is a natural consequence of leading a car chase. It would be 100% on the the guy and 0% on the officer. Getting shot in the back is not a natural consequence of leading a foot chase.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, because crashing is a natural consequence of leading a car chase. It would be 100% on the the guy and 0% on the officer. Getting shot in the back is not a natural consequence of leading a foot chase.
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But he wouldn't have been driving recklessly had the officer not been chasing him, right?
 
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lawgator1 said:
On the face of it, its not like the cop set out that day to kill someone. If there was a struggle and the guy fought with him over the taser, it just seems like he panicked at the loss of control, and simply did not demonstrate the restraint that his training and the law require of him at that moment. That's a hard part of that job - having the objective awareness to be able to remove yourself from the heat of the moment and keep a level head.
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The average concealed carry holder goes through about 10 hrs of training and are held to a higher standard in most instances than cops that get way more training and carry a gun as a way to earn a living.

I can't cut the cops much slack for a breakdown in training if they aren't gonna cut the citizens any slack.
 
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jp1 said:
But he wouldn't have been driving recklessly had the officer not been chasing him, right?
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Sure, but that is pointless to this discussion because it's the officer's job to pursue. Everyone knows he is going to pursue. The person who runs knows the cop will pursue. It's not the officer's job to shoot unarmed, non-violent "criminals".
 
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Carl Pickens said:
No....he's not dead just because he didn't want to pay child support. He's dead because he escalated the situation by running from and confronting the officer. Had he not done this, he'd still be alive.

I'm not saying the officer is without blame, but in every example of cops shooting someone the victim has played a role in it.
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There was an incident in Thailand this weekend where an American woman drove on the wrong side of the road, crashing into other vehicles, pedestrians and what not as she out ran the police. The Thai police were able to stop her without killing her. They shot her tires.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sure, but that is pointless to this discussion because it's the officer's job to pursue. Everyone knows he is going to pursue. The person who runs knows the cop will pursue. It's not the officer's job to shoot unarmed, non-violent "criminals".
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So if he knew the officer would respond to his actions how is he without some responsibility?
 
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jp1 said:
So instead of highlighting the police state, you make people think every white cop is a racist too? If thats what you are saying....sounds like a brilliant plan.
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Did you read my post? I was saying it's just another segue into observing law enforcement more closely. I also said there are bigger factors than race. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's the foul smell of dog **** that leads us to cleaning it up off the floor.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
In this case it was, I found out a long time ago it's best to comply with the police. I've got a lawsuit pending now against the local fuzz for a number of things, and I'll live to see another day.
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Eh, I fled the police a few times back in the day. Looking back, that's 3 arrests I DON'T have on my record for petty, victimless crimes.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sure, but that is pointless to this discussion because it's the officer's job to pursue. Everyone knows he is going to pursue. The person who runs knows the cop will pursue. It's not the officer's job to shoot unarmed, non-violent "criminals".
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As I said in another thread, most high speed chases should be banned.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Did you read my post? I was saying it's just another segue into observing law enforcement more closely. I also said there are bigger factors than race. Don't put words in my mouth.

It's the foul smell of dog **** that leads us to cleaning it up off the floor.
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I didnt mean to put words in your mouth if that wasn't your intention. Thats just the way I read it. I think including race in those cases just clouds the picture and get our attention off what it should be on. I truly dont think race played a part of the Brown and Gardner cases. I cant speak for the other. Thats just my opinion.
 
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jp1 said:
I didnt mean to put words in your mouth if that wasn't your intention. Thats just the way I read it. I think including race in those cases just clouds the picture and get our attention off what it should be on. I truly dont think race played a part of the Brown and Gardner cases. I cant speak for the other. Thats just my opinion.
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I don't think it clouds the picture because, while it may not be the biggest factor, it is definitely a factor. I think the LAPD taught us that in the late 80's/early 90's. One thing that cannot be ignored is that LEO's demographics are generally 15-30% more white than the communities they serve.

I dunno. I think we do live in a society where the laws are far too abundant, and the LEO's are trying to enforce the most petty ones. I'll take any medium that raises awareness at this point.
 
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Oh, and Grand... I wish they still had PM's here. I've got a story for about how that little fling with the femcop fizzled that I'd rather not share on here.
 
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