To Protect and to Serve...

[hog88]

Why?

A person with the power to arrest, detain and/or use deadly force should face much harder penalties for dishonesty. The truthfulness of a police words should be beyond reproach given the powers bestowed upon them. When they are found to be dishonest the penalty should be 2x that of the normal joe.

How is this even a question?

 

[Carl Pickens]

On the face of it, its not like the cop set out that day to kill someone. If there was a struggle and the guy fought with him over the taser, it just seems like he panicked at the loss of control, and simply did not demonstrate the restraint that his training and the law require of him at that moment. That's a hard part of that job - having the objective awareness to be able to remove yourself from the heat of the moment and keep a level head.

This is about what I took away from the video. The victim slapped or tried to grab something from the officer and that's when he started shooting. Even though the guy started to run it was less than a second before the first 3-4 rounds were popped off.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Guy's dead just because he didn't want to pay child support:hmm:
"Mr. Scott had been arrested about 10 times, mostly for failing to pay child support or show up for court hearings, according to The Post and Courier newspaper of Charleston. He was arrested in 1987 on an assault and battery charge and convicted in 1991 of possession of a bludgeon, the newspaper reported. Mr. Scott’s brother, Anthony, said he believed Mr. Scott had fled from the police on Saturday because he owed child support."

No....he's not dead just because he didn't want to pay child support. He's dead because he escalated the situation by running from and confronting the officer. Had he not done this, he'd still be alive.

I'm not saying the officer is without blame, but in every example of cops shooting someone the victim has played a role in it.

 

[jp1]

A person with the power to arrest, detain and/or use deadly force should face much harder penalties for dishonesty. The truthfulness of a police words should be beyond reproach given the powers bestowed upon them. When they are found to be dishonest the penalty should be 2x that of the normal joe.

How is this even a question?

I don't know ask the person that posed it. I was merely asking for a reasoning to your " absolutely yes" answer. Was curious to your reasoning.

 

[n_huffhines]

No....he's not dead just because he didn't want to pay child support. He's dead because he escalated the situation by running from and confronting the officer. Had he not done this, he'd still be alive.

I'm not saying the officer is without blame, but in every example of cops shooting someone the victim has played a role in it.

How could they not play a role in it? By virtue of their being shot, they played a role in the incident.

There is no point, whatsoever, in bringing up that the guy shouldn't have run. No point at all. There is no life lesson you are teaching us. It's not excusing the police officer's actions. It's not informative. So why do you bring up this completely useless tidbit every time there is an unnecessary police shooting?

 

[YorkVol]

No....he's not dead just because he didn't want to pay child support. He's dead because he escalated the situation by running from and confronting the officer. Had he not done this, he'd still be alive.

I'm not saying the officer is without blame, but in every example of cops shooting someone the victim has played a role in it.

In what way does running from an officer escalate the situation?

 

[MercyPercy]

No....he's not dead just because he didn't want to pay child support. He's dead because he escalated the situation by running from and confronting the officer. Had he not done this, he'd still be alive.

I'm not saying the officer is without blame, but in every example of cops shooting someone the victim has played a role in it.

Who escalated the situation more? The guy who ran, or the guy who shot him in the back?

One of these things is not like the other.

 

[FLVOL69]

In what way does running from an officer escalate the situation?

Try it sometime and get back to us ..

 

[YorkVol]

Try it sometime and get back to us ..

So would you say that not complying with the officer's directions is grounds for the use of deadly force?

 

[vols-1]

No....he's not dead just because he didn't want to pay child support. He's dead because he escalated the situation by running from and confronting the officer. Had he not done this, he'd still be alive.

I'm not saying the officer is without blame, but in every example of cops shooting someone the victim has played a role in it.

Your right. The guy was desperate to get away. I believe if the cop tackled him from behind then he would still fight till the death. He was bound and determined he was not going to jail again.

 

[n_huffhines]

Try it sometime and get back to us ..

Think about it like this. If you try to confront me about some issue we are at odds on, if I run am I escalating the situation?

They call this "removing yourself from the situation", not escalating it.

 

[hog88]

Your right. The guy was desperate to get away. I believe if the cop tackled him from behind then he would still fight till the death. He was bound and determined he was not going to jail again.

The guy wasn't Jesse Owens, the officer had time to pick up his tazer and chase him down.

 

[MercyPercy]

Try it sometime and get back to us ..

Comply or die!

 

[FLVOL69]

So would you say that not complying with the officer's directions is grounds for the use of deadly force?

In this case it was, I found out a long time ago it's best to comply with the police. I've got a lawsuit pending now against the local fuzz for a number of things, and I'll live to see another day.

 

[Carl Pickens]

How could they not play a role in it? By virtue of their being shot, they played a role in the incident.

There is no point, whatsoever, in bringing up that the guy shouldn't have run. No point at all. There is no life lesson you are teaching us. It's not excusing the police officer's actions. It's not informative. So why do you bring up this completely useless tidbit every time there is an unnecessary police shooting?

I bring it up because every time there is an unnecessary shooting the perceived victim has done something stupid to bring the situation to a head. I'm not excusing the officer, but damn.....the victims are responsible too.

 

[hog88]

I bring it up because every time there is an unnecessary shooting the perceived victim has done something stupid to bring the situation to a head. I'm not excusing the officer, but damn.....the victims are responsible too.

They are, but if every stupid decision/action was punished by death we humans would be extinct.

 

[n_huffhines]

I bring it up because every time there is an unnecessary shooting the perceived victim has done something stupid to bring the situation to a head. I'm not excusing the officer, but damn.....the victims are responsible too.

Not responsible for getting shot. That's 100% on the officer and you can't take that away from him. He is responsible for his own actions. He is responsible for running from the police, and whatever just consequences that entails, but that does not include getting shot. He is not responsible for that at all.

It's like saying I yelled at my neighbor and my neighbor shot me. Yeah my neighbor wouldn't have shot me if I didn't yell at him, but in no way am I responsible for the result.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Think about it like this. If you try to confront me about some issue we are at odds on, if I run am I escalating the situation?

They call this "removing yourself from the situation", not escalating it.

Well....the dude was breaking the law Huff....the cops cant let every offender flee....I mean remove themselves from the situation.

It's not like the cop just walked up to his window and shot him in the face....

 

[Carl Pickens]

They are, but if every stupid decision/action was punished by death we humans would be extinct.

True, but apparently personal responsibility doesn't exist any more.

I'm not defending the cop on this one by any means, but I'm sick of the usual suspects acting as if the cops are out there assassinating people just for the hell of it.

 

[hog88]

Well....the dude was breaking the law Huff....the cops cant let every offender flee....I mean remove themselves from the situation.

It's not like the cop just walked up to his window and shot him in the face....

Come on Carl, look at the guy. It wasn't like he was going to run very far.

 

[hog88]

True, but apparently personal responsibility doesn't exist any more.

I'm not defending the cop on this one by any means, but I'm sick of the usual suspects acting as if the cops are out there assassinating people just for the hell of it.

They are most surely killing people that don't deserve it.

 

[Carl Pickens]

The guy wasn't Jesse Owens, the officer had time to pick up his tazer and chase him down.

He was no Mike Tyson either. I think he slapped the tazer out of his hand and the cop way overreacted.

 

[n_huffhines]

Well....the dude was breaking the law Huff....the cops cant let every offender flee....I mean remove themselves from the situation.

It's not like the cop just walked up to his window and shot him in the face....

And if he had run him down and tackled him, it would have been justified. I would then say the guy was responsible for getting tackled.

 

[FLVOL69]

Think about it like this. If you try to confront me about some issue we are at odds on, if I run am I escalating the situation?

They call this "removing yourself from the situation", not escalating it.

I'm not a police officer, you should try that the next time you're confronted by a cop and get back to me.😜

 

[Carl Pickens]

Look guys.....I'm not defending the cop.....what I am saying is that every time we discuss a police shooting on here....it's not because the cop just decided to walk up and shoot the victim. The victim has either had a perceived weapon, been violent, ran or something.