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Let's see.

Intent - Lunging at an officer
Capability - Having a screwdriver in one's hands while lunging at said officer
Opportunity - Being less than five feet away from said officer when lunging.

Serious bodily harm - Loss of eyesight, limb(s), major irreparable trauma or that harm which could lead to:
Death - Need I explain this one.

The Atlanta situation, if the details are correct in the article(s) about it, is one that will very likely go to a grand jury. And should. I also disagreed with the decision in New York concerning Garner. I think that one should have gone to trial. I think the Ferguson situation was the right call.

But you'd rather disarm police and let thugs like Michael Brown assault them until they are seriously injured or dead. Or allow one to get stabbed in the neck by a mentally ill person that suddenly got violent.

So again, how many cops have to be seriously injured or dead by the hands of the criminal element before you are happy? The only, and I stress only, reason the British police are without firearms is because of the strict gun control laws in that nation in particular. Are you suggesting the same method to be used here? Unilateral disarmament of the civilian population in the United States?
Lots of strawman. There are still armed police officers in the UK. Gun control is not the reason that man is still alive; superior police service is the reason he is alive.

You are equating the mentally ill with the criminal. That is grossly offensive. You really think a manic patient intends to hurt anyone? Your idea of intent, capability, and opportunity are as broad and subjective as Tim’s idea of felony resisting arrest. Are you that afraid the manic patient is going to wrestle your gun away and shoot you? Does the patient literally have to be naked and 100+ feet away before police killing is unjustified?

I already told you I value police lives and civilian lives equally. If our LE would take on a little more risk and (a lot) more training I think we would avoid a significant number of needless police killings. Are you not willing to say how much you value cop lives vs. civilian lives? Do you think the statistics are fair and balanced already?

FTR I also agreed with the Ferguson rulings
 
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Stephon Watts, Autistic Teen, Fatally Shot By Police In His Home

My better half works in mental health and her primary client is a 20 year old autistic boy named Stephen. He has frequent violent outbursts and does occasionally hurt his caretakers (but usually just himself). It’s difficult to take him in public because he is easily overstimulated. If he were to freak out in public, does he deserve to be shot? What if he were to freak out during one of his regular encounters with law enforcement (often in his own home)?

I admit I am emotionally invested in this angle. I do not blame police on a personal level for their inability to handle the mentally ill. Like I said, the vast majority of people don’t know how to interact with the mentally ill. Even some caretakers are pretty clueless. That said, I do blame police on the organizational level. There clearly needs to be improvement in their crisis intervention training.
 
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Stephon Watts, Autistic Teen, Fatally Shot By Police In His Home

My better half works in mental health and her primary client is a 20 year old autistic boy named Stephen. He has frequent violent outbursts and does occasionally hurt his caretakers (but usually just himself). It’s difficult to take him in public because he is easily overstimulated. If he were to freak out in public, does he deserve to be shot? What if he were to freak out during one of his regular encounters with law enforcement (often in his own home)?

I admit I am emotionally invested in this angle. I do not blame police on a personal level for their inability to handle the mentally ill. Like I said, the vast majority of people don’t know how to interact with the mentally ill. Even some caretakers are pretty clueless. That said, I do blame police on the organizational level. There clearly needs to be improvement in their crisis intervention training.
Maybe the police can politely ask to see their autism card when they are "freaking out in public."
 
Maybe the police can politely ask to see their autism card when they are "freaking out in public."
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Wait! Before I make a split second decision while you're trying to bash my head apart.....Are you autistic, schizophrenic or strung out on dope? I don't want to do the wrong thing in case your just crazy as hell and don't really mean to physically harm me.

Maybe they should give the cops survey forms so they can ask questions before making a decision on how to assess the situation.
 
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Cop Pulls Gun, Threatens to Arrest Man After Accusing Him Of Cutting In Line At RedBox Kiosk

Knox County, TN– Sgt. Paul Story of the Knock County Sheriff’s Office will reportedly not be disciplined after pulling his gun and threatening a man while off-duty and in line at a RedBox kiosk. Audio of the incident was captured when he called 9-1-1 to request an on-duty officer’s assistance.

The obscenity-laced exchange began when Sgt. Story accused Timothy Nelson of cutting in line.

When Nelson asked why the officer was doing this, as he brandished his weapon and threatened him with arrest, the officer replied with an abusive rant.

“Because you’re a *****. You think you’re somebody. You’re not. Just shut the hell up. I’m done talking to you. I want someone else to come out here and talk to your dumb ass. I’m going to put you in jail is what I’m going to do.” Story is heard saying.

After the incident, Nelson threatened to file a $25,000 lawsuit, but ultimately decided to accept a settlement of $2,500 from the department.

That’s right, despite the officer being off-duty at the time of the exchange, the settlement will still be coming from the pockets of the taxpayers. We are apparently not only responsible for footing the bill over their bad behavior when they are on duty, but we are responsible for their reckless antics off the clock as well.
 
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Speaking of wasting taxpayer money...

LAPD Officers Who Shot Unarmed Man With Autism Awarded Millions In Discrimination Lawsuit
Two Los Angeles police officers have been awarded nearly $4 million after suing the LAPD alleging discrimination and retaliation after the fatal shooting of an unarmed, autistic man in 2010.

After deliberating for nearly three days, a Los Angeles County Superior Court jury ruled in favor of Officers Allan Corrales, 35, and George Diego, 34. Corrales was awarded more than $2 million and Diego $1.9 million.

The autistic man’s mother received $950,000 as part of a settlement in 2012 after she filed a claim against the city.


In the suit, which was filed in 2012, the officers alleged they repeatedly faced discrimination and retaliation within the department because they are Latino and the slain man, Washington, 27, was black. Corrales and Diego said they made requests to return to the field but were allegedly denied and also passed over for promotions and transfers.

During the trial, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said the officers were given desk jobs after the fatal shooting because they were unfit to work in the field and not because of their race.

The officers, he said, made serious tactical errors during their encounter with Washington. But Beck said the shooting was justified because they feared for their lives.

The civilian commission that oversees the LAPD, however, found the officers violated the department’s use-of-force policy and that the shooting was unreasonable.

"I do not have confidence in their ability to perform the duties of a field officer," Beck said. "I have no immediate intention of returning them to the field."
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Here’s another screwdriver case. How do you feel about this one?

Cop Who Allegedly Said ‘We Don’t Have Time For This’ Before Shooting Schizophrenic Teen Dead Has Been Indicted

A police officer who allegedly yelled “we don’t have time for this” before shooting and killing a schizophrenic teen has been indicted on manslaughter charges.

Officer Bryon Vassey was one of three officers from different North Carolina precincts to respond to a call by the family of 18-year-old Keith Vidal last month. The teen, who suffered from schizophrenia and weighed just 90 pounds, had apparently picked up a small screwdriver and wasn’t putting it down. But his parents say the two other officers already had the scene under control when Vassey walked in. They say the third officer simply tased Vidal, then took out a firearm and shot him dead, saying “we don’t have time for this.”

Records show Vassey was at the Vidal residence for just 70 seconds before calling in that shots had been fired, reports the North Carolina Star News.

“My word that I want to get out to every family who has a mentally ill patient: Do not call the police department for help,” Vidal’s mother told reporters. “Because your son will probably get shot and killed, just like mine did. Think twice about who you call for help.”

Police group: Detective who fatally shot mentally ill teen acted justly
 
Down Syndrome Man Goes to Movies, Ends up in Morgue

Ethan, who had Down syndrome, enjoyed the film so much that he decided to go back to his seat for a second showing while his aide went to get the car to take them home. When he refused to buy another $12 ticket, off-duty police moonlighting as security guards allegedly tackled him in an attempt to eject him from his seat.

An hour later, the young man was dead from "asphyxiation by homicide," according to the medical examiner's report.

The case went to a grand jury, which declined to indict the three sheriff's officers involved in the Jan. 12 incident

Saylor says her brother, at 5-foot-6 and 294 pounds, was "overweight" and the Chief Medical Examiner Office in Baltimore indicated that may have contributed to the asphyxiation. The medical examiner also noted damage to Ethan's larynx that may have contributed to his death, according to numerous press reports.

"The manner of death was determined to be homicide," said Bruce Goldfarb, assistant to the chief ME. "It was complicated by Down syndrome, atherosclerotic disease and some cardiac abnormalities."

Saylor said that the police report had numerous statements from witnesses: "Some said that the deputies had their hands on his shoulders and knees and back; and others said they went down on a pile on him. That's why we want it investigated -- there is no explanation in the report how he suffered these fatal injuries."

"A lot of what happened with Ethan and the three officers is ignorance," said Sarah Weir, vice president of advocacy for NDSS. "Ethan has a right to be in the movie theater and a right to live independently in his community. He could have been graciously removed from the theater: 'Ethan, want to go get some popcorn' rather than forcing him to the side on the ramp and forcing him down to the ground."

"It's obvious the officers had been poorly trained and if they had been patient, they could have handled the situation completely differently," she said.
Sounds familiar, eh?
 
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'You're Lucky We Didn't Shoot Him'
In 2011, Cleveland Police Roughed Up an Innocent 16-Year-Old Boy with Down Syndrome. The Family is Still Looking for Justice.

Within minutes, Kazimer was on foot in the West Terrace Apartments parking lot chasing someone in a red shirt who had turned away and ran. His partner radioed in: "In the back of the apartment, black male, red shirt, blue shorts."

Except the person Kazimer was chasing was neither a white man in his 50s nor a black male in a red shirt. It was a 4-foot-11 Hispanic teenager with Down syndrome named Juan Ortiz, scared and in search of his parents.

Little Juan Ortiz had been outside the apartment where he lived, with headphones in, listening to music from the church he and parents attended. When he spotted the police cruiser coming down Lorain Avenue, he ran toward his parents, who were sitting outside on a hot summer afternoon.

No one knows exactly why Juan took off when the police car caught his attention — he can't communicate beyond a couple of Spanish words he uses and simple hand gestures, like putting his fingers near his mouth when he's hungry. But he was rushing toward them with Kazimer in pursuit.

And multiple witnesses reported that when Officer Kazimer caught up to Ortiz, just as Ortiz was reaching his parents, he slammed the 16-year-old into a car.

"Juan's parents were standing in the parking lot by his mother's vehicle," declared apartment resident Eliezer Manzano in a court filing. Manzano is Juan's nephew but is older than him, an adult. "Juan ran to his parents and stopped. He began hugging his mother when the officer grabbed Juan from behind, forcefully pulled him from his mother's arms, and slammed him very hard into her vehicle like a football player making a tackle."

That's what others reported seeing too, adding that Kazimer forced the kid's head down and handcuffed him.

Officers should have known, witnesses say, from the beginning of the chase that Juan had Down syndrome. If they couldn't see his facial features, they could have listened to Manzano, who saw Kazimer chasing him and told him about his condition, only to be told, "Shut up, get out of my way."

"As [Kazimer, chasing Juan] approached, I asked him, in English, if there was a problem. I told him that Juan was my uncle, had Down syndrome, and could not understand what the officer was saying," Manzano said. "I told the officer that I could help him. The officer responded, 'Shut up, get out of my way.'"

Manzano's story is backed up by another witness, who was on her balcony at the time: "As the officer was chasing Juan, I observed Eliezer Manzano standing outside his apartment building," she stated, again under oath. "As the officer passed Manzano, I heard him yell, 'Yo, he has Down syndrome,' but the officer did not stop chasing Juan. I then saw Manzano follow the officer. Manzano continued to yell as he followed."

If Kazimer didn't hear it from Manzano, he definitely heard it from Juan's parents, Ramon and Alma, who were right there when the officer captured their son. Alma was frantic about what she saw, yelling over and over again "my baby," one of the few English terms she knew.

"I heard one of the officers tell Juan's parents to go back to their own country if they can't speak the language here," Kennedy stated. "The officers were telling Juan's parents and other relatives to 'shut the **** up' and 'get the **** away from here.'"

Another witness — a woman who was babysitting at an apartment in the complex — came out on the balcony when she heard the commotion and saw "Juan's mother attempt to intervene to protect him, but the police held her back and pushed her down on the ground.

"In response, the police were screaming and using vulgar and obscene language toward Juan's parents," she said. "The language those officers used would make a sailor blush. One of those officers told Juan's mother to 'get the hell back to where she belongs.' He called her a 'Mexican *******.'"

The lawsuit also contends that in the middle of the racial slurs and threatening language, after a chase against an unarmed citizen with no connection to the crime, Kazimer said this: "You're lucky we didn't shoot him."

Well, they were right about that. Flash forward to today:

Cleveland Public Safety Director Michael McGrath apologizes for police detaining teen with Down syndrome

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A city spokesman said the officers were not disciplined because of a previous departmental policy that withheld internal discipline until their court case was resolved. The policy is no longer in place.
 
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Family Files Suit In Deadly Miami Gardens Police Shooting


In your opinion, is a broom handle more or less deadly than a screwdriver? Who is at fault for escalating the situation? And is deadly force absolutely necessary??
Witnesses: Mentally Ill Man Did Not Have A Broomstick When Miami Gardens Police Killed Him


She told the two officers who responded, Peter Ehrlich and Eddo Trimino, her son was mentally ill.

“He was having an episode,” she says. “I didn’t know they were going to kill my baby.”

Daniels says she had a lot of trust in the police. She knew she needed them to intervene. A week before he was killed, two Miami Gardens officers responded to her home during another one of Hall’s episodes and helped her get him into a hospital.

“I don’t trust them no more,” she says.


Police have been silent on whether or not Hall had the broomstick or some other weapon when he was shot.


“When I look he ain’t have nothing in his hand,” Bennett says. "He had on boxers and a undershirt.”

He watched as Hall tussled with police on the ground in front of a house east of his home.

Police tased Hall, but he ripped the taser electrodes out and took off running around the corner out of Bennett's eyesight.

“By the time he got to that corner I’m looking out the window, my door---I got all the visuals. Soon as he hit the corner… less than a minute I heard gunshots.”

Bennett says no one has come to interview him about what he saw in those early morning hours befor Hall was killed.

“Why would they hear what I have to say that will put their law enforcement [practices] in jeopardy? They want to hear everything that benefits them,” he says from his backyard. “If it’s going against [their account], they won’t hear anything I have to say.”

Gregorio Marmolejo, another neighbor, lives around the corner from where Hall lived.

He says he heard gunshots, too. When he went looked out his front door he saw Hall’s lifeless body on the asphalt a few feet away from his home.

He walks from his front door to the spot just past the sidewalk where he says Hall was killed.

Marmolejo spreads out both arms and says, “I don’t see no broom in this area.”

Someone Marmolejo believes was a Miami Gardens detective wearing a white button-down shirt asked him about the brooms on his porch shortly after the shooting.

He says he told them they’re right where he left them earlier and appeared to be untouched.
 
Ex-Milwaukee officer won't be charged in Dontre Hamilton shooting

Manney shot Hamilton 14 times on April 30 during a confrontation at Red Arrow Park.

Before the encounter, a pair of officers responding to a call that Hamilton was asleep in the park checked on him twice and found he was doing nothing wrong. When Manney arrived, he was not aware that other officers had preceded him.

As Manney began to pat down Hamilton, Hamilton fought him, and a confrontation ensued. Manney tried to use his baton to subdue Hamilton, but Hamilton got control of it and swung at Manney, hitting him on the side of the neck, according to Milwaukee police internal affairs.

Manney then shot Hamilton repeatedly.

Police Chief Edward Flynn fired Manney in October — not for using excessive force, but because he did not follow department rules in the moments leading up to the shooting.

Manney described arriving on the scene, where he found Hamilton lying on the ground, with his eyes open and a leg shaking. Manney said Hamilton stood up, and as Manney patted him down he felt a hard cylindrical object in Hamilton's waist band and another hard object in Hamilton's pocket.

According to Manney, Hamilton trapped his arms. When he freed himself, Manney said, Hamilton looked at him with a "1000-yard stare."

The two men fought, and Manney said he used his baton to strike Hamilton, but Hamilton trapped the baton with his arm, grabbed it and then struck the officer. Manney said he attempted to push Hamilton away to create distance. Manney said he thought Hamilton was growing stronger, reaching the point of "super human strength."

When Manney finally got his firearm, he said, he walked backward. Hamilton continued to advance.

Manney said he gripped his pistol with two hands and fired, striking Hamilton in the chest. Hamilton kept coming forward.

Manney continued to fire until Hamilton fell to the pavement; he recalled it was as if he was "shooting a BB gun."

He radioed in: "Shots fired, officer-involved. Guy started beating me, started beating me, grabbed my baton, was going to hit me in the head with my own baton."

No weapons were found in Hamilton's pockets.

In days after the shooting, police officials highlighted Hamilton's history of mental illness and said the mental health system failed him. Hamilton's family has said he received treatment for schizophrenia but was not violent.
 
I'm gonna make a point to GrandVol eventually, but for now, more anecdotes

Widow of mentally ill man shot by Burlington police sues city

Wayne Brunette, 49, was shot four times by Burlington Police Cpl. Ethan Thibault in early November 2013, court records say. Officers responded to a 911 call from Wayne Brunette’s mother, Dolly, that her son, whom she identified as mentally ill, was behaving erratically.

Thibault and Cpl. Brent Navari arrived on the scene and were confronted by Wayne Brunette, who was wielding a shovel, court records say. Brunette allegedly moved toward the officers, prompting Thibault to fire his weapon, court records say. Wayne Brunette later died from the injuries.

Local prosecutors said in December 2013 that neither officer would face criminal charges for the shooting. The Vermont Attorney General’s Office also cleared the officers of wrongdoing.


The Burlington Police Department and Schirling were negligent in hiring Thibault because he has “numerous complaints filed against him for the use of excessive force,” the lawsuit states.

Last month, Schirling announced plans to retire in June. He did not return calls for comment for this article.

According to court papers, Navari said in an interview after the shooting that he had not received training for dealing with people with mental health issues.

Burlington City Attorney Eileen Blackwood said that the city believes that all Burlington police officers are trained under Act 80, a state program initiated in 2006 that provides training for law enforcement in handling situations involving mental health issues.
 
I'm gonna make a point to GrandVol eventually, but for now, more anecdotes

Is that point to track down as many articles as you can?

You haven't done enough in my opinion. Post up at least a dozen or two more.
 
Man mistakenly shot by police: ‘Sometimes they make mistakes’

Theoharis, who will turn 32 on Monday, agreed to speak publicly about the 2012 shooting for the first time now that the second of two lawsuits he filed in the aftermath was settled last month.

In February, the state agreed to pay Theoharis $2.5 million for the shooting after a U.S. District Court judge refused to dismiss his excessive-force claim against the Department of Corrections (DOC). The judge, while raising questions about the officers’ contradictory statements, determined the case should be brought before a jury.

King County had earlier settled with Theoharis, agreeing in 2013 to pay him $3 million after Sheriff John Urquhart personally apologized for the shooting and acknowledged it was wrong.

On Feb. 11, 2012, sheriff’s Deputy Aaron Thompson and corrections Officer Kristopher Rongen went to an Auburn-area home where Theoharis was renting a room from a friend, Cole Harrison. Thompson and Rongen were there along with several other officers to serve an arrest warrant on Harrison’s son, who had failed to check in with this DOC community corrections officer.

Theoharis was oblivious to what was happening. He was napping in a darkened back bedroom, after having not slept well the previous couple of nights.

The officers had already taken Harrison’s son into custody and were interviewing other people in the house when Thompson and Rongen entered Theoharis’ room.

“I woke up and there were two guys standing at the door,” Theoharis recalled. “They asked me for ID and I went to grab for it and that’s when I was shot.”

He was struck “everywhere,” he says. In the jaw, both upper arms, both lower arms, his wrist, his hand, his shoulder, his abdomen, both legs. He was shot 16 times without ever getting out of bed.
 
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