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DinkinFlicka said:
I have a question that's been boggling my mind lately...

To our LEO's: are officers trained to restrain their fellow officers when the need arises? If so, what conditions need to be met to preface, execute, and close such a scenario?

Such a job cannot come without unwarranted, emotionally charged aggression.
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If Tim or Grand don't get back to you on that, which I'm sure they will, I could ask one of my kpd buddies next time I have a meth head shoplifting. :)
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I have a question that's been boggling my mind lately...

To our LEO's: are officers trained to restrain their fellow officers when the need arises? If so, what conditions need to be met to preface, execute, and close such a scenario?

Such a job cannot come without unwarranted, emotionally charged aggression.
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I don't want to give a bad answer to this as each department will have it's own version of an ethics program and how to deal with things like this. And each will probably vary as to what conditions should be met and when/if to jump in and tackle said officer causing the ruckus.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
You really need to brush up on those people skills, that or learn how to hold your liquor.
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My people skills are fine, thank you. I could, however, learn to keep it together after 12 hours of rye.

You, on the other hand, could learn how to get off deez nuts.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't want to give a bad answer to this as each department will have it's own version of an ethics program and how to deal with things like this. And each will probably vary as to what conditions should be met and when/if to jump in and tackle said officer causing the ruckus.
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Humor me. How did your departments train officers in that fashion?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Humor me. How did your departments train officers in that fashion?
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Specifically? No set limitations on what was "too far" for lack of a better term. Common sense to know when someone went too far and you needed to pull them from the situation.

Like I said, I don't want to give you a bad example since it was mainly on the officers present.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Specifically? No set limitations on what was "too far" for lack of a better term. Common sense to know when someone went too far and you needed to pull them from the situation.

Like I said, I don't want to give you a bad example since it was mainly on the officers present.
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I think I understand your response and that makes sense.

Follow up question: Did your department(s) actually have a mandatory class/training session on the subject of intervening when something went "too far"?
 
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Danl said:
I think I understand your response and that makes sense.

Follow up question: Did your department(s) actually have a mandatory class/training session on the subject of intervening when something went "too far"?
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I'm sure they have sweap-it-under the rug training at all departments.
 
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Danl said:
I think I understand your response and that makes sense.

Follow up question: Did your department(s) actually have a mandatory class/training session on the subject of intervening when something went "too far"?
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More or less. There was a Standards and Conduct class that was given and was annual training. As for reporting said violation(s) yes there were avenues for that. For direct intervention, again, common sense was a guide used. For example, I had an excessive force violation from one of my troops. I immediately intervened, pulled said individual from the mix, removed all weapons and notified higher to start a formal investigation.

I can't speak for everyone, but most of the guys I worked with over the years had the "cooler heads prevailing" mentality and let the system work as needed.
 
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Grand Vol said:
More or less. There was a Standards and Conduct class that was given and was annual training. As for reporting said violation(s) yes there were avenues for that. For direct intervention, again, common sense was a guide used. For example, I had an excessive force violation from one of my troops. I immediately intervened, pulled said individual from the mix, removed all weapons and notified higher to start a formal investigation.

I can't speak for everyone, but most of the guys I worked with over the years had the "cooler heads prevailing" mentality and let the system work as needed.
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That makes some sense. And not to put too fine a point on it, but in the interest of understanding how training works, did the training specifically include the tenet that each of you should/must keep each other in line and watch specifically for each other to "go to far" and intervene as necessary? Or was it just kind of understood?
 
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Danl said:
That makes some sense. And not to put too fine a point on it, but in the interest of understanding how training works, did the training specifically include the tenet that each of you should/must keep each other in line and watch specifically for each other to "go to far" and intervene as necessary? Or was it just kind of understood?
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This is what I was trying to ask. You articulated the question better than I did.

Thanks! Looking forward to your answer GV.
 
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Danl said:
That makes some sense. And not to put too fine a point on it, but in the interest of understanding how training works, did the training specifically include the tenet that each of you should/must keep each other in line and watch specifically for each other to "go to far" and intervene as necessary? Or was it just kind of understood?
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DinkinFlicka said:
This is what I was trying to ask. You articulated the question better than I did.

Thanks! Looking forward to your answer GV.
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Kind of understood. I mean, it was beat into our heads at a young age about excessive use of force. And keeping an eye on each other was always understood as well although from a separate angle.

So no, there never was specific training to say "Johnny goes to far, you should club him over the head and drag him away." But almost everyone knew the line of "just enough" and "too much."
 
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YorkVol said:
St. Paul police roughly arrest black man sitting in skyway [VIDEO] | City Pages

I thought the Constitution was supposed to protect us from stuff like this?
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Sadly they've started to act like they're out to get us instead of out to protect us. And once again, in the event that a citizen understands his or her rights, they are completely unprepared and decide to bulldoze his truth with physical force and violence.

Tell me resident LEOs, why do your comrades seem to get so aggressive and begin to forgo all attempts at a reasonable dialogue once they are aware the person they're dealing with understands the law?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Sadly they've started to act like they're out to get us instead of out to protect us. And once again, in the event that a citizen understands his or her rights, they are completely unprepared and decide to bulldoze his truth with physical force and violence.

Tell me resident LEOs, why do your comrades seem to get so aggressive and begin to forgo all attempts at a reasonable dialogue once they are aware the person they're dealing with understands the law?
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Never would I have expected to agree with any of your posts. You got a like from me.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Sadly they've started to act like they're out to get us instead of out to protect us. And once again, in the event that a citizen understands his or her rights, they are completely unprepared and decide to bulldoze his truth with physical force and violence.

Tell me resident LEOs, why do your comrades seem to get so aggressive and begin to forgo all attempts at a reasonable dialogue once they are aware the person they're dealing with understands the law?
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1st off, I usually knew the answer prior to questioning. 2nd, 98% of the people that I had the pleasure of arresting proffered. There is no honor among criminals and to answer Dinks question. There was no training on how to restrain an officer that got out of hand. Never, in my experiences, needed it nor would it have been tolerated. To answer Mercy's question, aggressive is what usually gets someone to comply without force, seems some officers just do not know how to use their words. Kinda like society.

Edit: can you explain why there are relatively few instances of "aggressiveness" when these "constitutional rights" activists attempt to capture an officer being aggressive? Use some common sense.
 
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