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SamRebel35 said:
His overall message seems to be, "stop harping on all the idiots in our line of work. There are plenty of good ones." I have no problem acknowledging that there are good cops. But don't be shocked when the people that pay the bills only focus on the bad ones. Again, my bosses will never give me a press conference because my buildings don't fall down. When the opposite happens, I'm toast. That's life.
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Ironic. I think I said the same thing.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Get over it. You're not heroes. We don't owe you appreciation. We pay your freaking salary (not by our own choosing btw). In return for being your source of making a living, we are treated as subservients that should grovel and beg penance. We walk on eggshells and try our best not to raise suspicion in your presence because we know that at any moment you could find several ways to legally ruin our lives.
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And apparently so small towns can have expensive toys for parades. Don't forget that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Do you even know what the standards are to get into LEO work?

Set me straight instead since you want to climb on your high horse and act like you're intellectually superior to anyone that wears a badge.
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Still waiting on you to set me straight instead of avoiding the question.

Seriously, what are the educational requirements to be a regular police officer? Methinks a little bit higher standards across the board....educational, physical, aptitude, background, etc might fix some of the shenanigans.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Seemed to me the greater discussion was about no-knocks and shot pets. I apologize if your intent was a more specific context.
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You edited out the link below my comments. Maybe you should be careful about passing judgment on comments prior to reading all the pertinent data provided.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I guess that's catchy around here. When I questioned no-knock raid practices and said that he signed up for it, and innocent kids/pets didn't, he read that I want cops to get shot.
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I said that Cops dont sign up to get shot. Again, selective reading is abundant around here.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Not picking a fight. But would you be interested in coming to my office on your day off and watching me do calculations? Probably not. Nothing personal.
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It depends, would I need to remove my shoes to count? You know, we're all dumb and stuff in this job.

If you do engineering, maybe. I find that kind of stuff interesting.
 
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tim said:
LE is like life. Some are well educated some are not. Some of the worst cops occupy both levels. Education is not an indicator of how good a person is. You realize that a large portion of our military is not highly educated, right.
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You do realize that a large portion of our military doesn't deal with the public everyday and have the power to find something to legally devastate one's life?

My point is higher standards across the board...education, physical, aptitude, background check, etc...should be required if they have the power to decide on the spot when to use lethal force, physical force, detain, or fine the general public.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It depends, would I need to remove my shoes to count? You know, we're all dumb and stuff in this job.

If you do engineering, maybe. I find that kind of stuff interesting.
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It is engineering. But trust when I say that nobody would find it remotely interesting.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And actually, it was the DC Mayor and City Council that denied those rights. The Police Chief made that decision voluntarily in the immediate aftermath of the case to avoid getting slapped with a contempt charge.
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I read an article just this morning that listed the police chief as a defendant, and the judge specifically telling them what they had to do. I'll try to find it and link it.

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The court ordered the city to now allow residents from the District and other states to carry weapon within its boundaries.

Judge Scullin wrote that the court “enjoins Defendants from enforcing the home limitations of [D.C. firearms laws] unless and until such time as the District of Columbia adopts a licensing mechanism consistent with constitutional standards enabling people to exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms.”

The defendants are the city government and Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier.

Federal judge rules DC ban on gun carry rights unconstitutional | Fox News
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Yep. Good publicity that she's allowing people their rights, after fighting them in court and being ordered by a judge to allow the rights.
 
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rjd970 said:
My point is higher standards across the board...education, physical, aptitude, background check, etc...should be required if they have the power to decide on the spot when to use lethal force, physical force, detain, or fine the general public.
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So you're saying politicians from your local county commissioner all the way up to the President of the United States should be held to that same standard?

Because basically they set the laws and policies for everything you listed. So shouldn't they be held to an even higher standard of education and excellence than the implementers of policy?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
It is engineering. But trust when I say that nobody would find it remotely interesting.
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That depends. Structural engineering is something that can be helpful with my hobbies. But if you say it's boring, I'll trust you.

But I'd actually suggest doing a ride along at some point. Gives a new perspective to some folks.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So you're saying politicians from your local county commissioner all the way up to the President of the United States should be held to that same standard?

Because basically they set the laws and policies for everything you listed. So shouldn't they be held to an even higher standard of education and excellence than the implementers of policy?
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Jesus....

My point is higher standards across the board...education, physical, aptitude, background check, etc...should be required if they have the power to decide on the spot when to use lethal force, physical force, detain, or fine the general public.
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rjd970 said:
You do realize that a large portion of our military doesn't deal with the public everyday and have the power to find something to legally devastate one's life?

My point is higher standards across the board...education, physical, aptitude, background check, etc...should be required if they have the power to decide on the spot when to use lethal force, physical force, detain, or fine the general public.
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All of those things can and are present, in spades, yet bad things are going to happen. You think that Aldrich Ames was an uneducated guy who failed his background check? I'm simply saying all of those things do not prevent bad guys from doing bad things.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I read an article just this morning that listed the police chief as a defendant, and the judge specifically telling them what they had to do. I'll try to find it and link it.

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Yep. Good publicity that she's allowing people their rights, after fighting them in court and being ordered by a judge to allow the rights.
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Victory in Palmer v. D.C. | Reality-Based Litigation

From the lead attorney. It lists "DC" as the defendant which would encompass the police. But aimed at the policies that were passed by the District itself.

And I thought it was good publicity since she didn't wait for the DC Mayor or Council to make up yet more rules that would restrict the Rights yet again. Because you know it's coming. And at this point regardless of reciprocity with other States, she is giving a blanket policy to accept any and all CCW permits regardless if there's anything on the books. It's a small victory for a place with a history like DC.

ETA: You are correct, I didn't know she was specifically listed as a defendant. My apologies.
 
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tim said:
All of those things can and are present, in spades, yet bad things are going to happen. You think that Aldrich Ames was an uneducated guy who failed his background check? I'm simply saying all of those things do not prevent bad guys from doing bad things.
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That's not my point. My point is it would do a better job of weeding out the bad, stupid, corrupt guys to begin with. Maybe the quality of LE across the board would be improved. What's wrong with that?
 
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Grand Vol said:
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Much better than shooting a dog on a no-knock raid. A lot less wasteful (except in the case of the Utah toddler, who was never lost and at home).
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My stance on no knock raids has been made clear in previous posts on the subject. But if, during any raid that is by the books and legal, a dog threatens responding officers yes there is serious justification there to prevent injury to responding officers.

Case by case basis I know and there are a lot of conditional factors to take into account, but you and I both know there are people that have overly aggressive dogs. Case in point:

Ogden police shoot dog in alleged attack by owner - Good4Utah.com
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GV... After revisiting the post I replied to, and verifying context, and what you said...

Since you were responding to posts about no-knock raids, and specifically posted about shooting dogs during no-knock raids...

And I replied about no-knock raids...

You can get off your high-horse and stop claiming I misrepresented your point.

But just for fun, I'll link to a completely irrelevant website just like you did,

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