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Rasputin_Vol said:
It takes 2 to tango. We call one of the irresponsible people deadbeats and threaten them with jail. Meanwhile, the other irresponsible parent has over 30 forms of contraception, has the power to choose who the father is going to to be, has the power to choose who lives or dies and is promised every form of state benefit imaginable with no threat of them losing their freedom.

Until you make the consequences for bad decision making equal for both parties involved, you will continue to see one group of parents incentivized to make poor choices in who they conceive children with.[/

You just described a very small percentage of the situations....my personal situation has my wife and her ex husband who committed adultery on her so she left him..... He quit his job so his kids wouldn't get any money....we still allow the kids to see him which is rare.....his daughter is a stud athlete and he rarely if ever comes to see her play....his son broke his arm playing football and he didn't even come to the hospital to see him....I paid that hospital and ambulance bill in full....once his daughter was selling something for school he gave her a dollar too much and the next time asked for it back.... I thought my wife was going to go roadhouse on him and rip out his throat.... Your focus is on the parents when it should be on the children.....once again who should take care of the kids? The govt or should the kids go without... I take care of all my kids his two, mine with my wife and mine with my ex.... We don't use the word step in my house as we are all family and I treat them as my own.
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volbeast33 said:
You just described a very small percentage of the situations....my personal situation has my wife and her ex husband who committed adultery on her so she left him..... He quit his job so his kids wouldn't get any money....we still allow the kids to see him which is rare.....his daughter is a stud athlete and he rarely if ever comes to see her play....his son broke his arm playing football and he didn't even come to the hospital to see him....I paid that hospital and ambulance bill in full....once his daughter was selling something for school he gave her a dollar too much and the next time asked for it back.... I thought my wife was going to go roadhouse on him and rip out his throat.... Your focus is on the parents when it should be on the children.....once again who should take care of the kids? The govt or should the kids go without... I take care of all my kids his two, mine with my wife and mine with my ex.... We don't use the word step in my house as we are all family and I treat them as my own.
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1. Depending on what demographic subgroup you are looking at, this is not a rare occurrence. In most of these circles, having a baby is a hustle.

2. You said "wife". Once you married her, you chose to take on the responsibilities that go along with supporting her (and her family). You made that choice. What more does the govt need to do if you've chosen to pick up the baton that her ex-husband dropped?
 
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volbeast33 said:
You just described a very small percentage of the situations....my personal situation has my wife and her ex husband who committed adultery on her so she left him..... He quit his job so his kids wouldn't get any money....we still allow the kids to see him which is rare.....his daughter is a stud athlete and he rarely if ever comes to see her play....his son broke his arm playing football and he didn't even come to the hospital to see him....I paid that hospital and ambulance bill in full....once his daughter was selling something for school he gave her a dollar too much and the next time asked for it back.... I thought my wife was going to go roadhouse on him and rip out his throat.... Your focus is on the parents when it should be on the children.....once again who should take care of the kids? The govt or should the kids go without... I take care of all my kids his two, mine with my wife and mine with my ex.... We don't use the word step in my house as we are all family and I treat them as my own.
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It starts with the parents. If the parents don't behave irresponsibly, then you won't have (as many) situations as you are describing. Also, if one parent is incentivized to make poor decisions while the other is institutionalized for making the same poor decision, then you will never see the problem resolved.

And in your case, you've answered your own question. The govt doesn't need to be involved, nor do the kids need to suffer. We need either more good men like you to step in and fill the void or we need more good women to make better choices in who they choose to have kids with.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It starts with the parents. If the parents don't behave irresponsibly, then you won't have (as many) situations as you are describing. Also, if one parent is incentivized to make poor decisions while the other is institutionalized for making the same poor decision, then you will never see the problem resolved.

And in your case, you've answered your own question. The govt doesn't need to be involved, nor do the kids need to suffer. We need either more good men like you to step in and fill the void or we need more good women to make better choices in who they choose to have kids with.
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This is the real world and in many instances good men don't step..... You seem to be worried about the parents making better decisions which I agree with but is not the point..... What do we do about the kids that didn't have a choice? Just allow them to suffer and pretend they don't exist bc the guy wants no part of it.
 
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volbeast33 said:
This is the real world and in many instances good men don't step..... You seem to be worried about the parents making better decisions which I agree with but is not the point..... What do we do about the kids that didn't have a choice? Just allow them to suffer and pretend they don't exist bc the guy wants no part of it.
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Or because the woman made the wrong decision. Again, it is a 2 way street.

Also, your solution doesn't involve the govt and it doesn't force people to pay for a responsibility that they didn't want to sign up for. Your situation would lead me to think you should be on a campaign to get these men out here to marry more of these single mothers in the manner that you stepped up to the plate.

Why isn't that a realistic solution?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or because the woman made the wrong decision. Again, it is a 2 way street.

Also, your solution doesn't involve the govt and it doesn't force people to pay for a responsibility that they didn't want to sign up for. Your situation would lead me to think you should be on a campaign to get these men out here to marry more of these single mothers in the manner that you stepped up to the plate.

Why isn't that a realistic solution?
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It's not about marrying the mother..... I agree that is ideal but it's not realistic.... It's all about the children..... As for the mothers not having responsibility.... If the kid lives with them then they are doing their share of the responsibility...... Do you really think a campaign will make guys all of a sudden decide to do the right thing.....what is a realistic option for this problem in your eyes?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Do you really think a campaign will make guys all of a sudden decide to do the right thing.....what is a realistic option for this problem in your eyes?
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Obviously throwing a bunch of men in jail hasn't done anything to solve the problem. Maybe we should refocus and consider aiming some of the campaign at the women to make better choices on who they open their legs open for. And also, make them suffer more of the same consequences that most of these men have to deal with.

I'm all for equality and justice.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Obviously throwing a bunch of men in jail hasn't done anything to solve the problem. Maybe we should refocus and consider aiming some of the campaign at the women to make better choices on who they open their legs open for. And also, make them suffer more of the same consequences that most of these men have to deal with.

I'm all for equality and justice.
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They already suffer the same consequences.....women who are not found fit for their kids to stay in the home have to pay child support to the father and have the same punishments if they don't meet their obligations...Within the last twenty years or so judges will typically order joint custody if both parties are able to provide a stable home and does not disrupt the child's life too much. In that situation, no child support is ordered. Child support is ordered when one person has full custody. It is a formula that takes into account both parents earnings and makes them pay according to what each parent earns. it is done on a percentage so the more you make then the more that you will pay. It really doesn't matter that she shouldn't spread her legs or that he shouldn't go after the easy piece of action that he does not care about. What is important is that the kids are taken care of.
 
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volbeast33 said:
They already suffer the same consequences.....women who are not found fit for their kids to stay in the home have to pay child support to the father and have the same punishments if they don't meet their obligations...Within the last twenty years or so judges will typically order joint custody if both parties are able to provide a stable home and does not disrupt the child's life too much. In that situation, no child support is ordered. Child support is ordered when one person has full custody. It is a formula that takes into account both parents earnings and makes them pay according to what each parent earns. it is done on a percentage so the more you make then the more that you will pay. It really doesn't matter that she shouldn't spread her legs or that he shouldn't go after the easy piece of action that he does not care about. What is important is that the kids are taken care of.
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Full custody is not granted in equal numbers between men and women. That fact can't be debated.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Full custody is not granted in equal numbers between men and women. That fact can't be debated.
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Its pretty easy for a man to obtain joint custody nowadays.....you are correct and nor should they take the baby out of the mom's home without reason.....She is still responsible for providing support in the home.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Its pretty easy for a man to obtain joint custody nowadays.....you are correct
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I was specifically speaking about full custody, though.

volbeast33 said:
and nor should they take the baby out of the mom's home without reason.....She is still responsible for providing support in the home.
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It happens to dads all the time. Why should the mother get special privilege over the father in the majority of cases?
 
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tumscalcium said:
That's great.

Would you have preferred she'd been tased?
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I would prefer an officer of the law doesn't manhandle a school girl with the type of force and violence you'd expect him to apply to a fighting crackhead.

Deputy Dog was put on leave for his actions here. You don't have much of a leg to stand on when even his own don't put up with that trash.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I would prefer an officer of the law doesn't manhandle a school girl with the type of force and violence you'd expect him to apply to a fighting crackhead.

Deputy Dog was put on leave for his actions here. You don't have much of a leg to stand on when even his own don't put up with that trash.
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I would prefer an orderly student who doesn't cause problems. He was called in to remove the student after she was disruptive and asked to leave twice from the teacher and an administrator. She clearly wasn't getting up.

So, tased, shot, or removed with force? Your choice.
 
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tumscalcium said:
I would prefer an orderly student who doesn't cause problems. He was called in to remove the student after she was disruptive and asked to leave twice from the teacher and an administrator. She clearly wasn't getting up.

So, tased, shot, or removed with force? Your choice.
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"Removed by force" does not necessitate how violently it was executed. If a pouting kid won't get out of her seat, you're going to slam her to the ground and drag her across the floor while she's still halfway in her desk? Did she stab someone or did she disrupt class? This type of overreaction entails more bad behavior than the original problem.
 
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MercyPercy said:
"Removed by force" does not necessitate how violently it was executed. If a pouting kid won't get out of her seat, you're going to slam her to the ground and drag her across the floor while she's still halfway in her desk? Did she stab someone or did she disrupt class? This type of overreaction entails more bad behavior than the original problem.
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Don't start no S won't be no S. You're really going to get on the teacher for asking her to be removed?

Had that been me in high school I'd be afraid to go home. My ass would have been beat. But it never would have happened because I don't disrupt and I treat others with respect. Another girl was arrested as well. Obviously there was an issue and the teacher needed them removed. It's not like he just walked in and started crap.


No sympathy in this case whatsoever.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Don't start no S won't be no S. You're really going to get on the teacher for asking her to be removed?

Had that been me in high school I'd be afraid to go home. My ass would have been beat. But it never would have happened because I don't disrupt and I treat others with respect. Another girl was arrested as well. Obviously there was an issue and the teacher needed them removed. It's not like he just walked in and started crap.


No sympathy in this case whatsoever.
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You sound like a psychopath.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Ah yes, the new movement.

Taking responsibility for yourself, being held accountable, treating others with respect and not starting S = A psychopath.

You sir are the problem. Some day after you mature, you will understand this.
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It seems that the officer could have handled that a little better. There is enough of this personal responsibility that it extends to the officer too, no?

The police called the shooting in this video justified...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It seems that the officer could have handled that a little better. There is enough of this personal responsibility that it extends to the officer too, no?

The police called the shooting in this video justified...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U
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What should he have done? She wasn't leaving. She has a death grip on her desk.

And yes, responsibility extends to police as well. But there has been no alternative suggested.

Also, to correct issues you have to correct where they start. And it started with two girls in this class.
 
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