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[FLVOL69]

And now it is coming out that the woman had tried to commit suicide before, was making comments about depression, and had marijuana in her system.

The family is just not acknowledging this.

No money in that.

 

[YorkVol]

And now it is coming out that the woman had tried to commit suicide before, was making comments about depression, and had marijuana in her system.

The family is just not acknowledging this.

Are people on marijuana defiant and suicidal? Are they suggesting this is an elaborate suicide by cop?

 

[SamRebel35]

And now it is coming out that the woman had tried to commit suicide before, was making comments about depression, and had marijuana in her system.

The family is just not acknowledging this.

And all of this has something to do with the way she was originally treated by this napoleonic ass wipe?

 

[Septic]

Bless your heart you think I'm angry.. Cough cough cough♋️😱😘

One doesn't have to think to read you, you're not that complex.

You subscribe to the imbecilic "with us or against us" political theory and any dissension is quickly labeled as adversarial. Free thought is clearly a foreign concept to you, sad really. It's threatening, I get it.

 

[xXRockyTopXx]

Visibly looking upset. Bring out the face police.

If I'm in my car smoking a cigarette and a cop tells me to put it out during a routine traffic stop, I'm going to say no.

Face police?

The point I was making is that the cop asked her on two different occasions if she was ok. You couldn't hear her saying anything prior to that so I'm assuming he asked her that because she visibly looked upset.

 

[FLVOL69]

One doesn't have to think to read you, you're not that complex.

You subscribe to the imbecilic "with us or against us" political theory and any dissension is quickly labeled as adversarial. Free thought is clearly a foreign concept to you, sad really. It's threatening, I get it.

Save your dime store diagnosis for someone else. And you don't get it.. Do you stand in front of a mirror at night with a drink in your hand and ponder on just how wonderful and intelligent you are? I bet you do..😂

 

[lawgator1]

No money in that.

I really don't think that was the cause for the family's initial reaction. They seemed genuinely upset.

Down the line it might be about that, but they seem genuine to me. Just wrong about their certainty there is no way she committed suicide, that's all.

But as I say I understand that emotional reaction from them.

Are people on marijuana defiant and suicidal? Are they suggesting this is an elaborate suicide by cop?

I was under the impression they are claiming she was out and out murdered by corrections officers.

Not impossible, and their claims should be investigated, as any in custody death would. But there doesn't seem any reason to just have killed her and engage this elaborate ruse thereafter. Corrections people deal with nasty, argumentative people all day long. They are rather desensitized to it.

Again, not impossible. But as of right now, given what we know so far, as between the two possibilities a suicide seems far more likely than a murder. The investigation will tell us more.

And all of this has something to do with the way she was originally treated by this napoleonic ass wipe?

As I've said, you can make a case that he overreacted to her giving him a hard time. You can characterize him as unprofessional, though he started off very polite to her and she caused his reaction. But from what I've seen the officer did not act unlawfully.

 

[FLVOL69]

I really don't think that was the cause for the family's initial reaction. They seemed genuinely upset.

Down the line it might be about that, but they seem genuine to me. Just wrong about their certainty there is no way she committed suicide, that's all.

But as I say I understand that emotional reaction from them.





I was under the impression they are claiming she was out and out murdered by corrections officers.

Not impossible, and their claims should be investigated, as any in custody death would. But there doesn't seem any reason to just have killed her and engage this elaborate ruse thereafter. Corrections people deal with nasty, argumentative people all day long. They are rather desensitized to it.

Again, not impossible. But as of right now, given what we know so far, as between the two possibilities a suicide seems far more likely than a murder. The investigation will tell us more.





As I've said, you can make a case that he overreacted to her giving him a hard time. You can characterize him as unprofessional, though he started off very polite to her and she caused his reaction. But from what I've seen the officer did not act unlawfully.

I'm not disputing the family's reaction in regards to being upset, but if there's if nothing inappropriate on the side of the law no lawsuit.$$$

 

[Septic]

Save your dime store diagnosis for someone else. And you don't get it.. Do you stand in front of a mirror at night with a drink in your hand and ponder on just how wonderful and intelligent you are? I bet you do..😂

I'm of average intelligence, I'd imagine. I can't control you, so if you get a sense of intellectual inferiority from my posts, that's not my problem - it's yours.

Frankly, you seem to be the only one having a hard time keeping up with my posts and to my knowledge - the only one who becomes incensed by them. While others may not agree with my opinions, you're the only one who appears to be threatened by them. Your anger is often palpable with your blame of all things Obama.

 

[lawgator1]

I'm not disputing the family's reaction in regards to being upset, but if there's if nothing inappropriate on the side of the law no lawsuit.$$$

I've defended a number of jail suicide cases over the years. And one where the inmate was murdered by another.

Part of the dynamic of the jail suicide cases, that really drive them, is that the family invariably feels terribly guilty that they did not bail the family member out. They sue, wanting someone else to be blamed, to assuage their own guilt.

In one case, a young man, about 23 or 24 and from a very nice family, had a drug problem and a number of scrapes with the law as a result. He got arrested for maybe the fourth or fifth time, and called his mom to bond him out. The father was overseas on business and didn't know anything about it.

The small amount it would have taken to get him out was no big deal to them. But she decided that the better course was not to do so, at least not immediately, because she thought it best that he face some consequences.

He hung himself in the jail a few days later.

I deposed the mother and father, and you could see on their faces, particularly hers, the tremendous guilt. And to boot she of course worried that her husband would forever have this terrible resentment towards her. The family was absolutely wrecked, forever.

From what I've read about the current case the family was in the process of trying to come up with bond money. I've read it was $5,000, I believe, but that usually means just a deposit of $500. Someone in that family knew that and who knows how slowly they were dealing with it or what the issues are. They really do not want to believe she committed suicide, because if she did, and they were slow to bail her out for any reason, well, you can imagine how they would feel.

 

[FLVOL69]

I'm of average intelligence, I'd imagine. I can't control you, so if you get a sense of intellectual inferiority from my posts, that's not my problem - it's yours.

Frankly, you seem to be the only one having a hard time keeping up with my posts and to my knowledge - the only one who becomes incensed by them. While others may not agree with my opinions, you're the only one who appears to be threatened by them. Your anger is often palpable with your blame of all things Obama.

Your sense of self denial is frightening to say the least,if you think I'm the only one on this forum that laughs at your posts you're mistaken. I was addressing a specific post in which your reply was either divisive or plain ignorant,which in your case is probably a bit of both. I'm gonna finish my bowl and my fresh ground Jamaican Coffee and head out to the pool. . Have a great day sunshine😘

 

[xXRockyTopXx]

Exactly when did she assault the officer? Was it after she was threatened with a taser, or when she nearly had her wrists broken by the officer?

If you've watched the shorter video (10:00 or so) it was about 3:30 into it. Well after he had asked her to get out of the car several times and after told her he would remove her several times (before he pulled his taser and before she was in handcuffs).

 

[Septic]

Your sense of self denial is frightening to say the least,if you think I'm the only one on this forum that laughs at your posts you're mistaken. I was addressing a specific post in which your reply was either divisive or plain ignorant,which in your case is probably a bit of both. I'm gonna finish my bowl and my fresh ground Jamaican Coffee and head out to the pool. . Have a great day sunshine😘

The irony is almost too much to handle. Hopefully some time away from the computer will allow your rage to simmer down - try not to kick any dogs or punch any baby's on the way to the cement pond.

 

[lawgator1]

I've defended a number of jail suicide cases over the years. And one where the inmate was murdered by another.

Part of the dynamic of the jail suicide cases, that really drive them, is that the family invariably feels terribly guilty that they did not bail the family member out. They sue, wanting someone else to be blamed, to assuage their own guilt.

In one case, a young man, about 23 or 24 and from a very nice family, had a drug problem and a number of scrapes with the law as a result. He got arrested for maybe the fourth or fifth time, and called his mom to bond him out. The father was overseas on business and didn't know anything about it.

The small amount it would have taken to get him out was no big deal to them. But she decided that the better course was not to do so, at least not immediately, because she thought it best that he face some consequences.

He hung himself in the jail a few days later.

I deposed the mother and father, and you could see on their faces, particularly hers, the tremendous guilt. And to boot she of course worried that her husband would forever have this terrible resentment towards her. The family was absolutely wrecked, forever.

From what I've read about the current case the family was in the process of trying to come up with bond money. I've read it was $5,000, I believe, but that usually means just a deposit of $500. Someone in that family knew that and who knows how slowly they were dealing with it or what the issues are. They really do not want to believe she committed suicide, because if she did, and they were slow to bail her out for any reason, well, you can imagine how they would feel.

Quoting myself, I'll add that the actual inmate murder case was pretty gruesome. Guy in for a misdemeanor was housed with a felon because they were friends and both were in disciplinary confinement. The felon killed the other guy, then poked his eyes with a pencil, then wrote a 20 page demand letter conditioning his admitting to the crime on getting Burger King for lunch, Dominoes Pizza for dinner, and a portable tv with a chip in it so he could get the porn channels.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No. The initially released video had some problems in the original upload. They fixed that and have since released it without those glitches.

Your post is a good example of what I'm talking about. Jumping to conclusions without the facts.

You are wrong. I stated facts. The only jumped to conclusions are in your reply.

 

[lawgator1]

You are wrong. I stated facts. The only jumped to conclusions are in your reply.

The fact is that there's nothing wrong with the video. You wrongly suggested otherwise because you did not know of the upload issue and the ACTUAL video having been released.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The fact is that there's nothing wrong with the video. You wrongly suggested otherwise because you did not know of the upload issue and the ACTUAL video having been released.

The fact is that there is a video distributed to the media that contains footage with a vanishing white car. Fact is... I jumped to no conclusion in my post.

 

[tim]

Any of ya'll even slightly curious as to why these types of incidents seem to always blow up through the media? I mean there seem to be perfectly good incidents to go crazy about, yet we seem to pick these cases like Brown and Garner. Just weird to me.

 

[lawgator1]

Any of ya'll even slightly curious as to why these types of incidents seem to always blow up through the media? I mean there seem to be perfectly good incidents to go crazy about, yet we seem to pick these cases like Brown and Garner. Just weird to me.

Controversy = $

Regardless of merit.

 

[YorkVol]

I've defended a number of jail suicide cases over the years. And one where the inmate was murdered by another.

Part of the dynamic of the jail suicide cases, that really drive them, is that the family invariably feels terribly guilty that they did not bail the family member out. They sue, wanting someone else to be blamed, to assuage their own guilt.

In one case, a young man, about 23 or 24 and from a very nice family, had a drug problem and a number of scrapes with the law as a result. He got arrested for maybe the fourth or fifth time, and called his mom to bond him out. The father was overseas on business and didn't know anything about it.

The small amount it would have taken to get him out was no big deal to them. But she decided that the better course was not to do so, at least not immediately, because she thought it best that he face some consequences.

He hung himself in the jail a few days later.

I deposed the mother and father, and you could see on their faces, particularly hers, the tremendous guilt. And to boot she of course worried that her husband would forever have this terrible resentment towards her. The family was absolutely wrecked, forever.

From what I've read about the current case the family was in the process of trying to come up with bond money. I've read it was $5,000, I believe, but that usually means just a deposit of $500. Someone in that family knew that and who knows how slowly they were dealing with it or what the issues are. They really do not want to believe she committed suicide, because if she did, and they were slow to bail her out for any reason, well, you can imagine how they would feel.

Interesting perspective, thanks.

 

[tim]

Controversy = $

Regardless of merit.

Agreed, but a more legitimate controversy that gets everyone involved would seemingly generate more revenue... Most of these low info/conspiranoids are not wealthy anyhow, so why pander to them. ?

 

[lawgator1]

Agreed, but a more legitimate controversy that gets everyone involved would seemingly generate more revenue... Most of these low info/conspiranoids are not wealthy anyhow, so why pander to them. ?

Some cops are bigoted.

Some cops are mean and unprofessional.

Its more interesting to assume that in a given situation that is what is going on than maybe what's obvious, if that's boring.

 

[tim]

Some cops are bigoted.

Some cops are mean and unprofessional.

Its more interesting to assume that in a given situation that is what is going on than maybe what's obvious, if that's boring.

True, so you're saying most reasonable people know that when a LEO incident happens they judge the individual LEO and not an entire profession?... If so, are you suggesting that the media recognizes they will never garner these people's attention and are targeting the viewers who are more inclined to ignore waiting on facts?

 

[lawgator1]

True, so you're saying most reasonable people know that when a LEO incident happens they judge the individual LEO and not an entire profession?... If so, are you suggesting that the media recognizes they will never garner these people's attention and are targeting the viewers who are more inclined to ignore waiting on facts?

I don't think that is their thought process, but that is the effect.

And so of course now we have a new movement, ancillary to black lives matter, which is #ifidieincustody, which is premised on the notion that something happened to this lady in the jail.

If it turns out that she committed suicide, there is still going to be a lawsuit out of it, I promise you. The family will claim she should have been watched because she told the screener at the jail that she had once tried to commit suicide.

Most jails, when screening people in, have a series of questions they ask and mark boxes yes or no, and if a certain number get marked yes, even if you aren't actively saying you have suicidal ideations at the moment, it results in you being classified to go to mental health or infirmary, whichever they have. And from there you typically get checked on at regular intervals, often every 15 minutes or so, depending on severity, until cleared by a counselor or physician to go to general population.

But jails differ. And so do states in terms of accrediting jails.

 

[Dr Dread]

Face police?

The point I was making is that the cop asked her on two different occasions if she was OK. You couldn't hear her saying anything prior to that so I'm assuming he asked her that because she visibly looked upset.

Or she looked pissed, and he decided to play the button pushing game. When you listen to her response, she sounds pissed; but she never raised her voice or used any profanity. All she did was explain why she felt like the stop was BS. There was nothing rude in her response considering the situation.

If he was genuinely concerned, as your statement implies, he could have easily explained that the ticket was nothing more than a warning then let her sign it and they both would have been on their way. Instead, he responds with "you done?", which comes across as just another attempt to push her buttons.

At this point, the only thing left to do to complete the stop is for him to hand her the ticket to sign so they both can go on there way. 15 more seconds and this is over with. Instead, he tells her to put her cigarette out. He just couldn't stop trying to push buttons.

He is the antagonist throughout the entire situation.