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agent|orange said:
Albuquerque prosecutor indicts cops, immediately faces repercussions - The Washington Post

This is, to me, a major root cause of the problem.
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It’s also a city where this just happened:

It was an undercover operation to bust two men for selling $60 worth of methamphetamine, but things didn’t go as planned.

An Albuquerque police lieutenant shot a fellow officer who was working undercover in a McDonald’s parking lot near Central and Tramway just before noon Friday.

Albuquerque Police Chief Gorden Eden said Saturday the male officer remained in critical condition at University of New Mexico Hospital. He is in the intensive care unit and has undergone multiple surgeries.

Police haven’t released the name of the officer who was shot, the lieutenant who shot the officer, or the identity of another officer who suffered minor injuries during the operation. Criminal complaints filed in Metropolitan Court against the two targets of the investigation identify the undercover officers as detectives Holly Garcia and Jacob Grant.

“Undercover narcotics work is probably some of the most dangerous work that we do in law enforcement,” Eden said during a Saturday news conference. “Due to the nature of those undercover operations it’s impractical for those narcotics officers, those narcotics detectives, to wear body armor. It’s very impractical for them to wear on-body cameras.”

The complaint makes no mention of the shooting, and police haven’t yet provided any details about what went wrong, or why the high-ranking officer opened fire.

The drug suspects were charged with drug trafficking, but faced no weapons charges. So it appears that the police lieutenant opened fire despite there no being no threat. It will be difficult to blame this shooting on the victim reaching for a waistband, or on anti-police rhetoric.
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For the sake of the officers, should we have them engaged in these dangerous undercover jobs when all their doing is cracking skulls of petty criminals? Were these two arrests over a $60 drug transaction worth a cop getting shot?

See, if the cops would listen to me, they would realize I have their best intentions in mind. I don't think cops need to risk their lives trying to enforce these outdated and unsuccessful drug laws.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So now we can add burning a Christmas tree to the long list of things that can get you abused or killed by the cops, along with selling loose cigarettes, running from the cops or rolling your eyes at them, child support, giving them the finger, having a busted taillight, carrying a "switchblade", possession of a joint or going 39 mph in a 25 mph zone.

This country is just full of mean vicious criminals. I'm glad the cops are on the case to crack skulls and beat these menaces to society into submission and teach them a lesson... or make an example out of them.
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FFS..... There has to be more to the story than the burning of a Xmas tree.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Surely there is more to this story?
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There always is...

Man sues West Jordan police; K-9 cop attacked his face during tree-burning incident (with video) | The Salt Lake Tribune

They said in a written release that in the weeks before the arrest, Hoogveldt had exhibited violent behavior that included an aggravated assault with a weapon and another time was found in possession of a concealed weapon by officers.

In the Christmas tree incident, Hoogveldt had threatened neighbors with a knife and started fires twice at a neighbor's home, according to the police. A fire was burning behind Hoogveldt's house as police approached, the release says, and "to protect the neighborhood and before the fire department could come in, officers had to secure Mr. Hoogveldt."
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Rasputin_Vol said:
See, if the cops would listen to me, they would realize I have their best intentions in mind.
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Grand Vol said:
There always is...

Man sues West Jordan police; K-9 cop attacked his face during tree-burning incident (with video) | The Salt Lake Tribune
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According to court records, Hoogveldt was charged with aggravated assault, a third-degree felony, and reckless burning and failure to remove flammable material around a fire, both misdemeanors, in the incident. The case was resolved with a plea in abeyance to reckless burning and all the charges were eventually dismissed.
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Aggravated assault, really? The case for aggravated assault was weak as hell in this instance, which is why it was dismissed. Same could probably go for the alleged aggravated assault in the weeks leading up to it (according to police). And since when is having a concealed weapon such a big deal? If he had broken the law with the concealed weapon or had really been charged with aggravated assault, then it would have shown up below in their records search...

A search of Utah court records shows Hoogveldt had an animal infraction in 2006, which he resolved with a $100 bail forfeiture. And Sykes said Hoogveldt had in the past entered pleas in abeyance to disorderly conduct and use or possession of drug paraphernalia.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Aggravated assault, really? The case for aggravated assault was weak as hell in this instance, which is why it was dismissed. Same could probably go for the alleged aggravated assault in the weeks leading up to it (according to police). And since when is having a concealed weapon such a big deal? If he had broken the law with the concealed weapon or had really been charged with aggravated assault, then it would have shown up below in their records search...
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Link?

And I merely was responding to Mercy's question. Something you failed to do in your selective fact outrage (as usual)
 
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GV... In your opinion would it have been justified for the guy to have defended himself against the K-9? Let's assume he reached up and snapped the dogs neck (or whatever). If not, why?

I won't (as you say) twist your words. In fact, I won't even respond. I'm genuinely curious of LE take on this.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
GV... In your opinion would it have been justified for the guy to have defended himself against the K-9? Let's assume he reached up and snapped the dogs neck (or whatever). If not, why?

I won't (as you say) twist your words. In fact, I won't even respond. I'm genuinely curious of LE take on this.
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Depends on the dog. Sometimes they will release and go after the offending appendage so one might not get the chance to go after a neck.

I will say there were some parts of that video that would raise questions to those that are familiar with K-9 tactics.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Depends on the dog. Sometimes they will release and go after the offending appendage so one might not get the chance to go after a neck.

I will say there were some parts of that video that would raise questions to those that are familiar with K-9 tactics.
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I'm not asking if the guy could've pulled it off. In fact I sure he probably wouldn't have. Let's pretend he does though. Would the guy have been justified in doing so?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I'm not asking if the guy could've pulled it off. In fact I sure he probably wouldn't have. Let's pretend he does though. Would the guy have been justified in doing so?
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He can try. Problem is he's going to get charged with it depending on what happens. Justified in defending himself? Sure. Not wise as it's been my experience the less you move, the less that dog eats you. But sure, one could defend themselves.

A K-9 is a serious financial investment. Good ones start at $10,000 and go up from there. And that's just the initial investment. So if a suspect was to kill one, you're looking at a serious five figure number that a department would be out.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A K-9 is a serious financial investment. Good ones start at $10,000 and go up from there. And that's just the initial investment. So if a suspect was to kill one, you're looking at a serious five figure number that a department would be out.
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How much is a human life worth?
 
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BartW said:
1 cop = 10 civilians = 100 mentally ill civilians. Multiply by 3 if black.

Am I close GV?
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Oh gee Bart. Am I a racist and hate crazy people now too? Want to point to the scientific data that proves that point?

Or just STFU and go back to lurking you douche.
 
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I think society in general, not just law enforcement, puts a higher value on a cop's life then the average citizen's.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I think society in general, not just law enforcement, puts a higher value on a cop's life then the average citizen's.
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I don't, but I put a higher value on a cop's life than I do on a guy who has been arrested 22 times by age 25. Freddie was no "average citizen."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
22 times, and 18 of those charges were for simple possession.
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Let's just accept the fact that right now, contrary to your personal opinion, drugs are illegal. Now if you want to live in the fantasy world you've created and ignore reality, you can. But why don't you let the facts stand for themselves in this case?

And don't play this cause and effect nonsense. Even if they were legal prior to, you have no way of knowing if the benevolent Freddie Gray would have turned out to be an upstanding citizen or not.
 
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