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jp1 said:
So you're fine with a guy driving down the road drinking a beer? Lose a loved one to a drunk driver and see if it changes your tune. I have.
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I have, also lost one to a completely sober and incompetent driver. Neither did a day in jail.

More people die in none alcohol related crashes than alcohol related. The DUI laws are nothing more than a money and control measure. The problem isn't drunk driving it's drunk crashing.
 
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jp1 said:
If open containers are legal what cause do you have to field test them in your scenerio?
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Exactly. The same can be said for someone who may be intoxicated per legal limits, driving perfectly fine but gets stopped at a roadblock.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I don't understand your logic......u will argue for days if a cop gets in a fight where a career criminal gets hurt or killed but drunk driving that kills an American every 28 minutes and injured over 290,000 Americans a yr....you are for relaxing the laws to help prevent it.
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Those stats are BS. If a pedestrian is drunk and stumbled out in front of a sober driver its classified as an alcohol related accident.
 
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jp1 said:
2 questions

1) lets say you are named CEO/president of your hospital. You now have the ability to change all of the policies in your hospital. Would you make drinking beer acceptable in all of your nursing break rooms?

2) Let's say your daughter is scheduled for T&A removal surgery. While you are walking in to the hospital you see her surgeon enjoying a cold one, but he doesnt appear impaired from what you can tell.. Still going through with the surgery?
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First off I won't advocate arresting either party based solely off the actions you mentioned.

1) That would be a PR disaster. Anyone who did that wouldn't be the CEO for long. Plus this is a policy for a workplace, much different than law.

2) I wouldn't but consider this. We let 17 year olds with IQs of 80 drive a car. So obviously the skill set and ability to become an EENT surgeon is a little different.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I don't understand your logic......u will argue for days if a cop gets in a fight where a career criminal gets hurt or killed but drunk driving that kills an American every 28 minutes and injured over 290,000 Americans a yr....you are for relaxing the laws to help prevent it.
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The thing is... You guys haven't really been able to tell how this helps prevent it. Only mentioned that I'd feel different if I had a loved one die. Which basically means that I'd think more emotionally about it.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
First off I won't advocate arresting either party based solely off the actions you mentioned.

1) That would be a PR disaster. Anyone who did that wouldn't be the CEO for long. Plus this is a policy for a workplace, much different than law.

2) I wouldn't but consider this. We let 17 year olds with IQs of 80 drive a car. So obviously the skill set and ability to become an EENT surgeon is a little different.
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1)I am fully aware that it is a policy and not a law, but why is it in place?

2) Why wouldnt you go ahead with it? The surgeon is fine. He just had a beer.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The thing is... You guys haven't really been able to tell how this helps prevent it. Only mentioned that I'd feel different if I had a loved one die. Which basically means that I'd think more emotionally about it.
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Since 1980 when MADD was formed and started pushing for these laws, Drunk Driving deaths have been cut almost in half.
 
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FACT: An estimated 32% of fatal car crashes involve an intoxicated driver or pedestrian.
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In 2011, 9,878 people were killed in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes. These alcohol-impaired driving fatalities accounted for 31 percent of the total motor vehicle traffic fatalities in the United States.
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In 2011, a total of 1,140 children age 14 and younger were killed in motor vehicle traffic crashes. Of those 1,140 fatalities, 181 occurred in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes.
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The statistics are alarming.

Alarmingly small.
 
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jp1 said:
1)I am fully aware that it is a policy and not a law, but why is it in place?

2) Why wouldnt you go ahead with it? The surgeon is fine. He just had a beer.
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1) 423-495-8575 is the number to my facility's HR. I'm sure they'll be glad to fill you in on all the reasons. We all know where you're going and it doesn't matter. When they start locking me in a cage against my will then we'll discuss it. Until then the point you're trying so hard to make doesn't really matter.

2) I have different standards as to what disqualifies someone from operating a motor vehicle and performing surgery on my children's throat. I would simply be withdrawing from a mutually voluntary agreement we had. No one would be locked in a cage.

Also... Both those questions were incredibly stupid and irrelevant. You notice how I still managed to answer them without calling you a moron or a douche? Take note... That's how adults do it.
 
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hog88 said:
Not really, I attribute it more to advances in vehicle safety and seat belts.

A fatal crash due to negligence should be treated the same regardless of alcohol.
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They are treated pretty harshly if they can prove the driver was intentionally negligent.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
1) 423-495-8575 is the number to my facility's HR. I'm sure they'll be glad to fill you in on all the reasons. We all know where you're going and it doesn't matter. When they start locking me in a cage against my will then we'll discuss it. Until then the point you're trying so hard to make doesn't really matter.

2) I have different standards as to what disqualifies someone from operating a motor vehicle and performing surgery on my children's throat. I would simply be withdrawing from a mutually voluntary agreement we had. No one would be locked in a cage.

Also... Both those questions were incredibly stupid and irrelevant. You notice how I still managed to answer them without calling you a moron or a douche? Take note... That's how adults do it.
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So I made my point to you then? Good enough. A double standard is okay with me.

And the douche comment was justified based on your response about my unfortunate situation. I apologize for calling you a moron.
 
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hog88 said:
Putting on makeup, texting, messing with the radio, talking on the phone makes no difference. It's negligence and shouldn't be treated any different.
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That is extremely hard to prove......how are the cops suppose to stop that?
 
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volbeast33 said:
That is extremely hard to prove......how are the cops suppose to stop that?
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:thud:

IMO if over 60% of all fatal crashes have nothing to do with alcohol we need to start fixing that problem. DUI laws are nothing more than money pumps for the county, state, lawyers and insurance companies.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The real issue here isn't standards it's pay. You can't start someone at 30k and expect to get the best and brightest.
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No it's not. The problem is the nature of the work. The best and the brightest don't want to write tickets and fight the war on drugs.
 
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jp1 said:
So I made my point to you then? Good enough. A double standard is okay with me.

And the douche comment was justified based on your response about my unfortunate situation. I apologize for calling you a moron.
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You brought your friend into the discussion. Not me. If they were off limits then that's where they should have stayed. That's why you're a wimp. You took the discussion to an emotional place that allowed you attack me, not my argument, when I pointed out how silly it was. Your friend died because someone who was intoxicated killed them. Not becuase somebody was simultaneously driving and responsibly drinking a beer. One should punished harshly and the other shouldn't be punished at all.

If you are able to feel better about yourself by fantasizing you've caught me in some double standard then have a blast.
 
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