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Vol8188 said:
The real issue here isn't standards it's pay. You can't start someone at 30k and expect to get the best and brightest.
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30K and you get to bust skulls? Sounds like a deal.

I mean imagine if you got your teacher pay AND got to bust the skulls of your moron students? Win win!
 
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Vol8188 said:
The real issue here isn't standards it's pay. You can't start someone at 30k and expect to get the best and brightest.
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I think its pay and education. To get the more educated candidate you have to pay more.

Imagine how hard it will be to recruit a good police officer in the future. See where this is going?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Lots. You dont know about it because the media picks and chooses what they are going to turn into a sh!tstorm. It is funny watching the networks act all concerned about Baltimore when it is their reckless reporting that caused it.

Zimmerman/Martin is a great example. That was a non story for MONTHS until someone decided to splash it nationwide to get traction. Yet the white kids torutred/raped/murdered in Knoxville got zero attention.

Think about it. Some white kids get treated like a bad Eli Roth film..no one says anything. No national outrage. No looting. No riots. Some criminals die in police custody and all hell breaks loose. Hell most of the protesters in Baltimore dont even know the name of the guy who died in custody.

The media knows for ratings nothing beats a good race story, but it has to be against blacks so they can lure in all the white guilt.
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There is a difference between the protesters (who have a legitimate cause) and the rioters (who are simply looking to dole out some violence and steal crap).

Additionally, you are correct on the stonewalling of the Newsom/Christian case because the media does seem to only want to focus on white-on-black crime. In the case of Zimmerman, he can be Hispanic with a Jewish name and that's close enough.

And, finally, the "My son could be Trayvon" should go down as one of the great gaffes of a Presidential tenure. There was no damned reason the POTUS needs to comment on a minor case such as that... especially before the damned thing has gone to trial.

Think about if Bill Clinton had said "Ronald Goldman could have been my son" and then white people rioted when OJ Simpson was found innocent.

Oh, wait. That absolutely didn't happen. At all.
 
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jp1 said:
I think its pay and education. To get the more educated candidate you have to pay more.

Imagine how hard it will be to recruit a good police officer in the future. See where this is going?
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Yes. So the issue here is truly pay, not education. If you pay well enough, you can afford to be selective.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Lots. You dont know about it because the media picks and chooses what they are going to turn into a sh!tstorm. It is funny watching the networks act all concerned about Baltimore when it is their reckless reporting that caused it.

Zimmerman/Martin is a great example. That was a non story for MONTHS until someone decided to splash it nationwide to get traction. Yet the white kids torutred/raped/murdered in Knoxville got zero attention.

Think about it. Some white kids get treated like a bad Eli Roth film..no one says anything. No national outrage. No looting. No riots. Some criminals die in police custody and all hell breaks loose. Hell most of the protesters in Baltimore dont even know the name of the guy who died in custody.

The media knows for ratings nothing beats a good race story, but it has to be against blacks so they can lure in all the white guilt.
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The horse thief who was beaten by police not long ago was white, correct?

The media reports more police violence against blacks, because the police encounter more blacks on a daily basis.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes. So the issue here is truly pay, not education. If you pay well enough, you can afford to be selective.
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Actually there are studies that compare officers with 4 yr degrees to those with less education. The results were pretty eye opening.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The horse thief who was beaten by police not long ago was white, correct?

The media reports more police violence against blacks, because the police encounter more blacks on a daily basis.
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Reports that have come out clearly show that the police are more than willing and will, enthusiastically in some cases, enact severe bodily harm upon anyone that is dumb enough to question their unalienable (in their minds, untenable in mine) authority over you as a peon and a subject of the state.

Even with this Baltimore madness... reports are coming to national news that they (Baltimore Police) have done these "handcuffed but not buckled" police van joyrides with a lot of people... including a 27 year-old white blonde and a 43 year-old that was being taken in for public urination.

They do it because they can.

They do it because they're sadists.

They do it because they know they'll get away with it.

They do it because the "good apples" turn a blind eye.

They do it because the subjects of this very very very free and legislatively governed in a representative as per popular opinion nation don't care.

Look at this thread. Just look at it.

"He had a rap sheet, he deserved to die of a fractured spine and a crushed trachea".

It's disgusting and it's our faults as citizens. We've allowed our nation to take more and more and more rights and freedoms away. In this thread are people defending the circumvention of due process.
 
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jp1 said:
Actually there are studies that compare officers with 4 yr degrees to those with less education. The results were pretty eye opening.
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But what you're missing is the cause and effect.
Because they don't pay well, those with 4 year degrees don't apply
 
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agent|orange said:
Reports that have come out clearly show that the police are more than willing and will, enthusiastically in some cases, enact severe bodily harm upon anyone that is dumb enough to question their unalienable (in their minds, untenable in mine) authority over you as a peon and a subject of the state.

Even with this Baltimore madness... reports are coming to national news that they (Baltimore Police) have done these "handcuffed but not buckled" police van joyrides with a lot of people... including a 27 year-old white blonde and a 43 year-old that was being taken in for public urination.

They do it because they can.

They do it because they're sadists.

They do it because they know they'll get away with it.

They do it because the "good apples" turn a blind eye.

They do it because the subjects of this very very very free and legislatively governed in a representative as per popular opinion nation don't care.

Look at this thread. Just look at it.

"He had a rap sheet, he deserved to die of a fractured spine and a crushed trachea".

It's disgusting and it's our faults as citizens. We've allowed our nation to take more and more and more rights and freedoms away. In this thread are people defending the circumvention of due process.
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Don't make stuff up....it takes away from your argument in my opinion.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The strong correlation between law enforcement with degrees and decreased use of force has already been laid out in this thread.
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Not disputing this. The departments which require degrees probably are on the upper end of the pay scale and haven't dumbed down their pre-hire testing standards either.
 
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jp1 said:
Don't make stuff up....it takes away from your argument in my opinion.
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What did I make up?

Do you honestly disagree that there are cops out there that see their job as an "us versus them"

I do, overall, think that most cops out there are good people looking to serve their communities and make some money in the process. That isn't wrong at all.

But the problem is, if you say that "7 out of 10 cops are good people, 3 out of 10 aren't" that still means there are still 229,500 bad cops out there.

And that number alone may still be too high.

The problem is... the cop that beats an innocent person to death isn't the only problem. The keystone cops that execute a no-knock raid on the wrong house and kill an elderly man aren't he only problems.

The problems are when the "good cops" who don't beat people to death or so utterly bungle their jobs they can't not go to the wrong house and kill an 80 year old... don't say anything. If you know a co-worker is stealing and you don't report them, in the corporation's eyes, you're complicit.

All I want is for US cops to be held to the same Rules of Engagement against US citizens as I and my fellow service personnel were held up to against Iraqi and Afghani citizens. When a Chicago cop can discharge his weapon into a crowd and kill and innocent girl (when he wasn't under fire) but US troops can't open fire on a crowd that they are receiving fire from... there is a problem.

There is a problem.

Cops need to be accountable for when they complete (*&@ up an assignment. I did when I was in the service and I do now as a civilian. They have a stressful job, I get that, but they have little or no tolerance for failure.

We, as a nation, don't accept airline pilots treating passengers like cattle. We don't accept our doctors playing loose with the rules. We certainly shouldn't accept it from the people we entrust to stand for and uphold the law.

We aren't their subjects. We pay taxes that in turn pay for their civil service. This is the pecking order.
 
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agent|orange said:
What did I make up?

Do you honestly disagree that there are cops out there that see their job as an "us versus them"

I do, overall, think that most cops out there are good people looking to serve their communities and make some money in the process. That isn't wrong at all.

But the problem is, if you say that "7 out of 10 cops are good people, 3 out of 10 aren't" that still means there are still 229,500 bad cops out there.

And that number alone may still be too high.

The problem is... the cop that beats an innocent person to death isn't the only problem. The keystone cops that execute a no-knock raid on the wrong house and kill an elderly man aren't he only problems.

The problems are when the "good cops" who don't beat people to death or so utterly bungle their jobs they can't not go to the wrong house and kill an 80 year old... don't say anything. If you know a co-worker is stealing and you don't report them, in the corporation's eyes, you're complicit.

All I want is for US cops to be held to the same Rules of Engagement against US citizens as I and my fellow service personnel were held up to against Iraqi and Afghani citizens. When a Chicago cop can discharge his weapon into a crowd and kill and innocent girl (when he wasn't under fire) but US troops can't open fire on a crowd that they are receiving fire from... there is a problem.

There is a problem.

Cops need to be accountable for when they complete (*&@ up an assignment. I did when I was in the service and I do now as a civilian. They have a stressful job, I get that, but they have little or no tolerance for failure.

We, as a nation, don't accept airline pilots treating passengers like cattle. We don't accept our doctors playing loose with the rules. We certainly shouldn't accept it from the people we entrust to stand for and uphold the law.

We aren't their subjects. We pay taxes that in turn pay for their civil service. This is the pecking order.
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"He had a rap sheet, he deserved to die of a fractured spine and a crushed trachea".*
 
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