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Routine traffic stop. The sheriff's deputy had no probable cause or search warrant, but the driver consented to a search... 72 year old driver had nothing to hide. Now he's facing 10 years. Scumbag cops...

Gordon Van Gilder, 72, faces 10 years in prison for antique pistol: 'Beware of New Jersey' - Washington Times

Mr. Van Gilder, a collector of 18th-century memorabilia, said he had the gun unloaded and wrapped in a cloth in the glove compartment of his vehicle when he was pulled over in November by a Cumberland County sheriff’s deputy for a minor traffic violation, according to a video posted last week by NRA News.

After consenting to a search of his vehicle, Mr. Van Gilder said he alerted the deputy of the pistol in his glove box. The deputy let him go that night, but four police officers showed up at his home the next morning with an arrest warrant, he told NRA News.
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Evan Nappen, an attorney who specializes in gun law cases and is representing Mr. Van Gilder, says that even a plea agreement that avoids jail time but convicts Mr. Van Gilder of a felony would likely jeopardize his teacher’s pension he spent 34 years earning, Legal Insurrection reported.
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Mr. Van Gilder said he has already made plans to move out of New Jersey once his legal troubles are over.
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Well the assumption is that the grass is greener outside of New Jersey. But with these trickster cops itching to make an arrest or throw somebody in jail all over the country, he may as well stay in a New Jersey prison and get his 3 hots and a cot. We are living under tyranny in America.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I saw that earlier this week..... That rat bastard should be incarcerated
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In many of these situations I feel like the cops screw up and should be held fully accountable for their actions but I believe most of them likely aren't "bad people"

This is one of the exceptions. I really feel like this guy is just a scumbag. If you'll notice as the second officer walks up he asks if EMS is needed. The guys responds with something like, "I don't know... The guy doesn't speak a lick of English."

IMO that's the most damning piece of evidence in the whole video. It's shows that the officer knew the entire time the guy didn't understand what he wanted him to do. And instead of being a human being, just taking a second, and working through the situation, he escalated it to that.

Tells me all I need to know about this clown. Hopefully they punish him as severely as the law (both criminal and civil) will allow.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
In many of these situations I feel like the cops screw up and should be held fully accountable for their actions but I believe most of them likely aren't "bad people"

This is one of the exceptions. I really feel like this guy is just a scumbag. If you'll notice as the second officer walks up he asks if EMS is needed. The guys responds with something like, "I don't know... The guy doesn't speak a lick of English."

IMO that's the most damning piece of evidence in the whole video. It's shows that the officer knew the entire time the guy didn't understand what he wanted him to do. And instead of being a human being, just taking a second, and working through the situation, he escalated it to that.

Tells me all I need to know about this clown. Hopefully they punish him as severely as the law (both criminal and civil) will allow.
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I agree....
 
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SamRebel35 said:
He must have reached for his waist band.

Edit: I said it jokingly before I read the part about the cops claiming he put his hand in his pocket. Lol. So predictable.
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Every concealed carry holder should have that excuse ready whenever they get in a situation. Seems to work every time for the cops.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ever concealed carry holder should have that excuse ready whenever they get in a situation. Seems to work every time for the cops.
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Reminds me of the South Park episode where they go hunting and circumvent the hunting laws by saying "it's coming right for us" whenever they want to shoot wildlife with automatic assault rifles and rocket launchers. Lol.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Reminds me of the South Park episode where they go hunting and circumvent the hunting laws by saying "it's coming right for us" whenever they want to shoot wildlife with automatic assault rifles and rocket launchers. Lol.
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You say that like it's a bad thing and unsporting.
 
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Police Raid 90-Year Old Woman’s Home Apparently By Accident « CBS Miami

“Cops standing over here talking about where’s the drugs? I said what? What drugs? Ain’t no drugs in here,” she said.

Police searched the home with drug sniffing dogs but came up empty-handed.

Riviera Beach Police said the search warrant was executed at the correct address and while the resident may not have had any knowledge of drugs being sold from her home, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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YorkVol said:
Story doesn't mention if anyone else lived at the house or if she lived alone (which is doubtful for a 90 y/o). Wouldn't it be logical for the police to take a look at the white pages or some other database to determine who lives at a house before they blow down the doors?
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I guess my thing is, why take a chance of injuring an innocent homeowner if it is the wrong residence or risk the cops' lives if it is the right residence? This drug war isn't worth the lives and property that are being damaged and lost.
 
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tim said:
The insanity is the amount of people using/selling.
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You'd think sooner or later the powers that be would realize it's hopeless huh? I mean, we can't even keep drugs out of our prisons.

I understand I'll never change your mind. However, I'd like to know why you feel the need to control what other people do with their lives.

I would like to know your honest interpretation of this quote from F.A. Hayek.
 

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You'd think sooner or later the powers that be would realize it's hopeless huh? I mean, we can't even keep drugs out of our prisons.

I understand I'll never change your mind. However, I'd like to know why you feel the need to control what other people do with their lives.

I would like to know your honest interpretation of this quote from F.A. Hayek.
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I read it to mean you have choices with liberty. Make poor choices and lose your right to have liberty. The cost of drug enforcement is high, but the cost of doing nothing is greater. We are a land of laws designed for the good of all. Do I agree with them all, of course not. But, your version amounts to nothing of greater difference. A government by another name is still government.
 
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tim said:
The insanity is the amount of people using/selling.
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Why is it insane that individuals will use products that make them feel better for the time being? Why is it insane that individuals would pay for such products? Why is it insane that individuals would sell such products?

The insanity is that cops have actually bought into the anti-drug myth; i.e., that one who uses drugs is likely to seriously harm either themselves or others. Yet, this is myth is unsubstantiated. On any substantial evidence, the best one can say is, "According to the data, one who uses these drugs, while more likely to harm themselves or others than one who does not use these drugs, is not likely to harm themselves or others".

And, with that ultra-substantial ammo in their pockets, legislators and legislation-enforcing shills, go around and arrest users and sellers. If any specific LEO does not see that drugs present a minor increase in the likelihood of harm, then they are simply ignorant. If any specific LEO does see that and, yet, continues to carry out his duties, they are *******s.
 
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tim said:
The cost of drug enforcement is high, but the cost of doing nothing is greater.
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I disagree. And, since the burden of proof ought to be on the individual who is destroying liberty, fining persons, and locking persons up, then the burden of proof is on you to present this evidence.

Let me save you the time.

Tim: "Insert BS, unverifiable anecdote here"
 
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tim said:
I read it to mean you have choices with liberty. Make poor choices and lose your right to have liberty. The cost of drug enforcement is high, but the cost of doing nothing is greater. We are a land of laws designed for the good of all. Do I agree with them all, of course not. But, your version amounts to nothing of greater difference. A government by another name is still government.
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I'm interested to know how much it would cost to do nothing? I mean in fiscal resources, not moral.
 
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therealUT said:
Why is it insane that individuals will use products that make them feel better for the time being? Why is it insane that individuals would pay for such products? Why is it insane that individuals would sell such products?

The insanity is that cops have actually bought into the anti-drug myth; i.e., that one who uses drugs is likely to seriously harm either themselves or others. Yet, this is myth is unsubstantiated. On any substantial evidence, the best one can say is, "According to the data, one who uses these drugs, while more likely to harm themselves or others than one who does not use these drugs, is not likely to harm themselves or others".

And, with that ultra-substantial ammo in their pockets, legislators and legislation-enforcing shills, go around and arrest users and sellers. If any specific LEO does not see that drugs present a minor increase in the likelihood of harm, then they are simply ignorant. If any specific LEO does see that and, yet, continues to carry out his duties, they are *******s.
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Patently false information. The prisons ARE full of drug abusers, but not imprisoned for the reasons you espouse. Their drug usage, which probably will result in arrest, is not a leading cause of their sentence. Drug abusers generally conduct more personal and property crimes to support their behavior which leads to their incarceration. In most cases probation is violated because of drug usage which was the root cause of them being on probation to begin with. We've had this difference before and apparently I fail in explaining it.
 
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Why is there always a perceived danger in doing nothing? Is this simply the fear tactics used by those in power to justify the rising prison population? Or, is it just the gravy train of revenue rolling along? Meanwhile, the taxpayer suffers and pays for it all.
 
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YorkVol said:
I'm interested to know how much it would cost to do nothing? I mean in fiscal resources, not moral.
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Go to any LE agency, ask any officer what crime they see most (not drug) and ask why the person did what they did. Without wasting your time I'll tell you what they'll say.

Burglary/theft because they need drugs. Not because my baby was hungry.

What value can I put on your home and property?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Routine traffic stop. The sheriff's deputy had no probable cause or search warrant, but the driver consented to a search... 72 year old driver had nothing to hide. Now he's facing 10 years. Scumbag cops...

Gordon Van Gilder, 72, faces 10 years in prison for antique pistol: 'Beware of New Jersey' - Washington Times


Mr. Van Gilder, a collector of 18th-century memorabilia, said he had the gun unloaded and wrapped in a cloth in the glove compartment of his vehicle when he was pulled over in November by a Cumberland County sheriff’s deputy for a minor traffic violation, according to a video posted last week by NRA News.

After consenting to a search of his vehicle, Mr. Van Gilder said he alerted the deputy of the pistol in his glove box. The deputy let him go that night, but four police officers showed up at his home the next morning with an arrest warrant, he told NRA News.
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Evan Nappen, an attorney who specializes in gun law cases and is representing Mr. Van Gilder, says that even a plea agreement that avoids jail time but convicts Mr. Van Gilder of a felony would likely jeopardize his teacher’s pension he spent 34 years earning, Legal Insurrection reported.
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Mr. Van Gilder said he has already made plans to move out of New Jersey once his legal troubles are over.
Click to expand...

Well the assumption is that the grass is greener outside of New Jersey. But with these trickster cops itching to make an arrest or throw somebody in jail all over the country, he may as well stay in a New Jersey prison and get his 3 hots and a cot. We are living under tyranny in America.
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