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MercyPercy said:
There is absolutely no way any person would feel threatened in that manner by that small a dog, especially a three hundred pound cop.

Therefore, if we can correctly assume he felt no actual threat, we have to ask why he would kill it?

Occam's razor, he did it to cause emotional distress and trauma, for his own pleasure. That's pretty sick. That kind of behavior is usually reserved for psychopaths.

Conclusion: the man is probably a psychopath. Gotta wonder how many more are out there in uniform.
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Nice reach.
 
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Yup I can see why this man would fear for his life if the dog turned

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I don't understand shooting the dog.

Is pepper spray not effective on animals?

Taser would have killed it too I imagine.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
Why else would he kill it, other than the fact that he enjoys killing? It's a tiny dog.
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It's possible he's just crushingly inept and unsuited for the stresses of the job. If his reaction to a Jack Russell is to shoot it because he, in his words mind you, "feared for his life", then I would think it a dubious assumption he is qualified to ever have to interact with people while armed.
 
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"Officer kicks 12 pound dog to death"... Do you guys like that headline more?
 
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tim said:
"Officer kicks 12 pound dog to death"... Do you guys like that headline more?
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Ive swiped many small dogs away with my foot, never injured one, and never been threatened to where i ever have felt the need to use legitimate force on the dog.

Og course, you believe your badge gives you the right to kill pets for sport, so you wouldn't get it.
 
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tim said:
"Officer kicks 12 pound dog to death"... Do you guys like that headline more?
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Come on Tim. I respect what you guys do. I appreciate you more than words can relay, but you got to admit, this was just plain stupid.
 
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Obsessed said:
Come on Tim. I respect what you guys do. I appreciate you more than words can relay, but you got to admit, this was just plain stupid.
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Probably was. But, this thread is solely set up for dumb shiz which only accounts for a small small small portion of LEO activities in a given day. Im a tad sensitive, but everyone knows a dumbass.
 
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tim said:
Probably was. But, this thread is solely set up for dumb shiz which only accounts for a small small small portion of LEO activities in a given day. Im a tad sensitive, but everyone knows a dumbass.
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I wholly agree with the bold above. The problem is when it gets a little too easy to try to be dismissive of those few. Even more so than John Q Public the majority of those "good" LEO you refer to should be outraged by stupid (or worse) stuff done by other members of your fraternity. The best thing that could ever happen to LEO/civilian relations is for LEO to show a total willingness to eat their own...if you can't handle being a good cop then we (the majority that are) damn sure don't want you out there representing the rest of us.

IMO we need fewer cops and those we have are consummate professionals and paid accordingly...as in well. It doesn't work for me to have more bodies out there even if it means we have "a few bad apples" make it into the basket. Not when we're handing them the amount of authority we do.
 
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tim said:
Probably was. But, this thread is solely set up for dumb shiz which only accounts for a small small small portion of LEO activities in a given day. Im a tad sensitive, but everyone knows a dumbass.
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I (believe it or not) agree with you. My problem is the top cover, you as LEO recognize him as a dumbass, yet he still has a job.

I think that is why there are so many ordinary citizens fed up with LEO, from the outside it appears they get away with dang near anything.
 
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hog88 said:
I (believe it or not) agree with you. My problem is the top cover, you as LEO recognize him as a dumbass, yet he still has a job.

I think that is why there are so many ordinary citizens fed up with LEO, from the outside it appears they get away with dang near anything.
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There is very little tolerance outside of union states. As a former leo, I have seen good men railed over things blown out of proportion and excuse me for not automatically believing every negative piece thats printed. It still galls me to see/hear things like " former officer robs drugstore" or " officers wife arrested for fraud" etc... I've said before, if they're wrong and should be fired their agency will generally get it right (not including union states they're just f'd up)
 
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hndog609 said:
It's possible he's just crushingly inept and unsuited for the stresses of the job. If his reaction to a Jack Russell is to shoot it because he, in his words mind you, "feared for his life", then I would think it a dubious assumption he is qualified to ever have to interact with people while armed.
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That would be my guess. Too jumpy possibly or just really really doesn't like dogs and is afraid of ANY dogs. Trust me, I've seen that before and not just in officers. Seems silly to me but by God, a little yippy dog can scare the pants off a grown man. In the end, if any of there are the case (or Percy is right and he's just a psychopath) he's clearly not suited to be an officer. He needs to be heavily evaluated and not be released back to duty until the underlying cause is found if at all.
 
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tim said:
There is very little tolerance outside of union states. As a former leo, I have seen good men railed over things blown out of proportion and excuse me for not automatically believing every negative piece thats printed. It still galls me to see/hear things like " former officer robs drugstore" or " officers wife arrested for fraud" etc... I've said before, if they're wrong and should be fired their agency will generally get it right (not including union states they're just f'd up)
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Accurate.
 
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Obsessed said:
I don't understand shooting the dog.

Is pepper spray not effective on animals?

Taser would have killed it too I imagine.
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Its highly effective. They actually make an incredibly potent version that is illegal to use on humans. (30% OC as opposed to 5 or 10% that police use.)

A taser deployment would not have killed it but it would also be highly effective...if you could hit it. Since the darts spread when they are fired and the taser takes a second to actually fire, its would be difficult to hit such a small target when bit is moving quickly. The only other alternative would be a drive stun which doesn't incapacitate as much as it just hurts like a mother****er.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Its highly effective. They actually make an incredibly potent version that is illegal to use on humans. (30% OC as opposed to 5 or 10% that police use.)

A taser deployment would not have killed it but it would also be highly effective...if you could hit it. Since the darts spread when they are fired and the taser takes a second to actually fire, its would be difficult to hit such a small target when bit is moving quickly. The only other alternative would be a drive stun which doesn't incapacitate as much as it just hurts like a mother****er.
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In your opinion, how would you have handled the situation? Based on the facts we have available.

I think the spray would have sufficed if the dog was indeed a danger to the officers life.


Thanks for your comments btw
 
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hog88 said:
I (believe it or not) agree with you. My problem is the top cover, you as LEO recognize him as a dumbass, yet he still has a job.

I think that is why there are so many ordinary citizens fed up with LEO, from the outside it appears they get away with dang near anything.
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Like any other job, Cops don't have the power to fire their coworkers. They can report him and that's about it.
 
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Obsessed said:
In your opinion, how would you have handled the situation? Based on the facts we have available.

I think the spray would have sufficed if the dog was indeed a danger to the officers life.


Thanks for your comments btw
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Well, based on the information in the article, I would have given verbal commands to the dog then if it kept coming, ideally I would have either shooed the dog out of the way with my foot or even possibly picked it up and quickly tossed/slid it outside (I usually wear kevlar gloves). It would depend on where my partner was, what we saw as we entered (violence, threats, etc.), how much room we had, whether or not we were in a "fatal funnel", etc. The dog is just so damn small, I just can't imagine ever having to use non-deadly force much less deadly force to neutralize the "threat".
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Well, based on the information in the article, I would have given verbal commands to the dog then if it kept coming, ideally I would have either shooed the dog out of the way with my foot or even possibly picked it up and quickly tossed/slid it outside (I usually wear kevlar gloves). It would depend on where my partner was, what we saw as we entered (violence, threats, etc.), how much room we had, whether or not we were in a "fatal funnel", etc. The dog is just so damn small, I just can't imagine ever having to use non-deadly force much less deadly force to neutralize the "threat".
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Good answer. Force should be used in proportion to the threat, and perhaps less if practicable.
 
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MercyPercy said:
There is absolutely no way any person would feel threatened in that manner by that small a dog, especially a three hundred pound cop.

Therefore, if we can correctly assume he felt no actual threat, we have to ask why he would kill it?

Occam's razor, he did it to cause emotional distress and trauma, for his own pleasure. That's pretty sick. That kind of behavior is usually reserved for psychopaths.

Conclusion: the man is probably a psychopath. Gotta wonder how many more are out there in uniform.
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Strong words, for someone not there.
 
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