To Protect and to Serve II

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DancingOutlaw said:
My first thought was all the cops standing around watching them beat a teen should be charged with violating Good Samaritan laws. But then I think their counter would be that the cops have no duty to protect you. Even if the people assaulting you are cops.
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I thought the good Samaritan laws protected the good Samaritan from lawsuits for rendering aid? Not forcing someone to render aid. Am I wrong in that?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I thought the good Samaritan laws protected the good Samaritan from lawsuits for rendering aid? Not forcing someone to render aid. Am I wrong in that?
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Some places have laws that say it’s illegal to see someone committing a crime against another and do nothing about it. Not that you have to intervene but at least call 911. But the irony is the people enforcing that law have no duty to protect you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The same thing happened when DeBlasio pizzed off the cops up there after a few of the boys in blue got attacked and killed and the cops responded by not writing tickets and arresting people. Life was probably never better during that two week period in NYC.
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Well...unless you were the families of those "few of the boys in blue that got attacked and killed."

Probably not a good two weeks for them.
 
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hog88 said:
That would require a one by one retribution.
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Best part of that story is after telling these people $4M has been stolen(how would an alarm know that) giving them the once over to find only $400, they never contacted the bank again about the “theft”. When asked the bank said it was a false alarm at another branch.
 
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golfballs said:
Orlando Officer Is Terminated After Arresting 6-Year-Olds
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The kid kicked a teacher. I don’t know if the officer over-reacted or not, but I can tell you there are dangerous kids in kindergarten and first grade right here in Knoxville that need to be locked up. Years ago, a family friend that taught 1st grade was attacked by a crazy kid with scissors. The kid was back in class a few days later. There are some very scary kids in the school system that are dangerous to the other kids.
 
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I have seen some very crazy sheit towards teachers in the 90s...I am sure it has only gotten worse and not better. Due to the breakdown of the family unit, in many cases kids are raised by irresponsible mom bc dad isnt around or even known, many kids are raised by grandparents that are in no way qualified etc...there are absolute monsters of children out there that are straight up psychopaths...and will only end up dead or in prison whichever happens first. Those kids cant be taught...and normal kids who actually want to learn and make something of themselves shouldnt be forced to be in class with them. This is a big part of why I spend nearly 20% of my income to have both of my kids in Christian school. A kid like that would last maybe a day at my kids school. It costs me 15 thousand dollars a year in just tuition to keep my kids away from the ignorance drugs and violence that I was raised in. It is money well spent.
 
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davethevol said:
The kid kicked a teacher. I don’t know if the officer over-reacted or not, but I can tell you there are dangerous kids in kindergarten and first grade right here in Knoxville that need to be locked up. Years ago, a family friend that taught 1st grade was attacked by a crazy kid with scissors. The kid was back in class a few days later. There are some very scary kids in the school system that are dangerous to the other kids.
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It's kindergarten and near the first of the year. This is an overreaction by a guy collecting a paycheck for a job he can't handle. He's likely pull a Scot Peterson if shtf
 
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utvolpj said:
It's kindergarten and near the first of the year. This is an overreaction by a guy collecting a paycheck for a job he can't handle. He's likely pull a Scot Peterson if shtf
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I agree to a point..... the kid also pulled a bookshelf over on someone and was throwing books at people..... This is what happens when schools quit allowing kids to be punished for their actions.
 
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The reaction to this in the greater Orlando community is mixed. The police chief takes the position that it is difficult to see how it would be helpful to put a kid in the back of a patrol car. On the other hand, there seems no mechanism in place to handle kids with such volatile behavior problems. So, can't arrest them, but also can't let them lash out and kick a teacher and just let that go.

A difficult societal problem, to be sure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reaction to this in the greater Orlando community is mixed. The police chief takes the position that it is difficult to see how it would be helpful to put a kid in the back of a patrol car. On the other hand, there seems no mechanism in place to handle kids with such volatile behavior problems. So, can't arrest them, but also can't let them lash out and kick a teacher and just let that go.

A difficult societal problem, to be sure.
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Absolutely.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's kindergarten and near the first of the year. This is an overreaction by a guy collecting a paycheck for a job he can't handle. He's likely pull a Scot Peterson if shtf
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The teacher probably can’t speak out without getting trouble, so we probably will never know how severe it is.

I knew of a 4th grader that threatened to shoot another kid. The school cop took it way more seriously than the principal, and while he didn’t arrest him, he did search the kid every day before allowing him to enter the school.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's kindergarten and near the first of the year. This is an overreaction by a guy collecting a paycheck for a job he can't handle. He's likely pull a Scot Peterson if shtf
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You are being too absolute, imo.

First, we do not know all the circumstances.

Second, how do you know it is a "reaction" and not some genuine issue of removing the child from a situation that was just going to get worse, not better, including for the child?

Third, what alternative does he have? He was evidently called in to the classroom by the teacher because this kid is acting out and has kicked her. Is he supposed to just scold the child? Walk away and let the teacher continue to be abused? If he calls the principal, what difference is that definitely going to make?

I'm also a little skeptical of the explanation that the kid just threw a tantrum and kicked a teacher because of sleep apnea. Seems like it might make a kid cranky, but its going to make her tired it seems to me, not amp her up.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reaction to this in the greater Orlando community is mixed. The police chief takes the position that it is difficult to see how it would be helpful to put a kid in the back of a patrol car. On the other hand, there seems no mechanism in place to handle kids with such volatile behavior problems. So, can't arrest them, but also can't let them lash out and kick a teacher and just let that go.

A difficult societal problem, to be sure.
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Arresting a six year old is ridiculous.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You are being too absolute, imo.

First, we do not know all the circumstances.

Second, how do you know it is a "reaction" and not some genuine issue of removing the child from a situation that was just going to get worse, not better, including for the child?

Third, what alternative does he have? He was evidently called in to the classroom by the teacher because this kid is acting out and has kicked her. Is he supposed to just scold the child? Walk away and let the teacher continue to be abused? If he calls the principal, what difference is that definitely going to make?

I'm also a little skeptical of the explanation that the kid just threw a tantrum and kicked a teacher because of sleep apnea. Seems like it might make a kid cranky, but its going to make her tired it seems to me, not amp her up.
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I have 2 kids around this age and have dealt with very similar issues. I have experience you do not. Contact the parents first. If they don't come then the admin at the school needs to deal with it. The response is idiotic

This is an overaction by a cop coasting on an assignment that's out of his element. It demonstrated a clear lack of ability to handle and deescalate a situation. Wonder if it's his first time?
 
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