To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Seems like we have a deep and dangerous amount of govt worker worship in this country. Military, cops and even politicians seem to get more praise than the people that actually make it possible for most Americans to be fed (farmers, fishermen, truck drivers) or have a warm roof over their heads (lumberjacks, linemen, construction workers).

The govt worker is the one that skims off the gravy at the top and actually engages in limiting our rights and freedoms.
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Absolutely.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Zep. Unquote my post please. Cant delete the other 1 BC. Gw quoted it...which is also my fault. Dont want any trouble, highly unlikely i think, but still.
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Sorry it took me so long, I didn't check the thread yesterday. I deleted my post. I wasn't trying to freak you out, I'm just the paranoid type. My bad.
 
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The only problem I have with the unquestioning, “thank you for your service” mentality is that some (possibly many) police don’t see it as a means of service unless they’re expressing dissatisfaction with “cop bashing.” Some are in it for the power, the paycheck, or the fraternity and when it becomes obvious who the bad apples are, the wagons get circled.

If law enforcement would start booting and prosecuting testiliars and other bad cops and stop looking down on prosecutors who don’t enable that crap, the profession would earn back the respect of most of the people who are presently not inclined to give it. The elevation of law enforcement to near messianic status, absurdly inflates the political costs of those necessary reforms.

JMO
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The only problem I have with the unquestioning, “thank you for your service” mentality is that some (possibly many) police don’t see it as a means of service unless they’re expressing dissatisfaction with “cop bashing.” Some are in it for the power, the paycheck, or the fraternity and when it becomes obvious who the bad apples are, the wagons get circled.

If law enforcement would start booting and prosecuting testiliars and other bad cops and stop looking down on prosecutors who don’t enable that crap, the profession would earn back the respect of most of the people who are presently not inclined to give it. The elevation of law enforcement to near messianic status, absurdly inflates the political costs of those necessary reforms.

JMO
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Lawyers will never have to worry about being elevated "to near messianic status" and you don't even have to wonder why.
 
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37L1 said:
Lawyers will never have to worry about being elevated "to near messianic status" and you don't even have to wonder why.
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Great point.

The two professions have many of the same problems.

If a lawyer gets a complaint for doing something dishonest and the profession handles the discipline internally, likely takes the lawyer’s word as to any defense unless there’s solid proof, makes some unsatisfying conclusions that either absolve the lawyer or gives him a private reprimand, and the bad lawyer remains free to con somebody else. Other lawyers don’t say anything because it reflects poorly on the profession and there are already enough people who go around not wondering why lawyers don’t get more respect.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This isn't cop bashing... this is just people highlighting and pointing out the actions of the bad cops. Unfortunately, there are a bunch of bad cops.

BTW, next time you see a lineman, lumberjack, deep sea fisherman, farmer or construction worker, will you do the courtesy of telling them thanks for their service, also? Their jobs are just as dangerous (if not more dangerous) than a police officers.
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I have been a construction worker for 26 years. Started at 15. Full time year round at 17..so i guess later this year at 42yo i will have 25 years straight full time. I thank my guys all the time for their hard work. I thank veterans and good cops for their service, too. Most are good. I have done many things to provide for my family that fall on the stupid side of the brave/stupid line...on roofs, 60ft ladders, wiring new circuits still "hot" etc... bravery is somewhat common. Cops and soldiers sometimes encounter situations beyond bravery...into the area of Heroism. That is when they sacrifice, or attempt to sacrifice, their lives to save or protect others. The vast majority of Heroes are dead or crippled. That gets my heartfelt respect and admiration. Not all cops or soldiers are heroes...but unless i know different, i will treat them with my utmost respect until they force me to do otherwise...which very rarely happens. FWIW, I have had a very adventurous life and should have died several times. I have "stood in the gap" when many men wouldnt have, and have paid heavy prices. I never needed any recognition when i knew i did what was right, and real Heroes dont need it either. Most Medals of Honor are awarded posthumously. For a good reason.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I have been a construction worker for 26 years. Started at 15. Full time year round at 17..so i guess later this year at 42yo i will have 25 years straight full time. I thank my guys all the time for their hard work. I thank veterans and good cops for their service, too. Most are good. I have done many things to provide for my family that fall on the stupid side of the brave/stupid line...on roofs, 60ft ladders, wiring new circuits still "hot" etc... bravery is somewhat common. Cops and soldiers sometimes encounter situations beyond bravery...into the area of Heroism. That is when they sacrifice, or attempt to sacrifice, their lives to save or protect others. The vast majority of Heroes are dead or crippled. That gets my heartfelt respect and admiration. Not all cops or soldiers are heroes...but unless i know different, i will treat them with my utmost respect until they force me to do otherwise...which very rarely happens. FWIW, I have had a very adventurous life and should have died several times. I have "stood in the gap" when many men wouldnt have, and have paid heavy prices. I never needed any recognition when i knew i did what was right, and real Heroes dont need it either. Most Medals of Honor are awarded posthumously. For a good reason.
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Thank you.

I had two friends nearly killed tonight when a dipsh** with a warrant ran back to his car and then dragged both of them when he attempted to drive off. When he hit the building in front of him (which happened to be at the exact location of the store's Blue Rhino Propane display), he began to reach for my partner's gun. He paid the price and his booking photo tells the tale.

Ras can have his opinion but, while we certainly don't ask or expect it, it is very much appreciated when someone thanks us.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Police Civil Asset Forfeitures Exceed All Burglaries in 2014
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Texas police made more than $50 million in 2017 from seizing people’s property. Not everyone was guilty of a crime.

In recent years, however, most efforts to change the system have fallen flat at the Capitol. Sheriffs, prosecutors and police have urged lawmakers not to further limit a power they say is crucial to their ability to fight crime and drug cartels — and which they say was already cleaned up by the 2011 law. Law enforcement officials say taking money and drugs linked to cartels is one of the most effective methods they have to fight them.
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orangeblood79 said:
Thank you.

I had two friends nearly killed tonight when a dipsh** with a warrant ran back to his car and then dragged both of them when he attempted to drive off. When he hit the building in front of him (which happened to be at the exact location of the store's Blue Rhino Propane display), he began to reach for my partner's gun. He paid the price and his booking photo tells the tale.

Ras can have his opinion but, while we certainly don't ask or expect it, it is very much appreciated when someone thanks us.
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Man wanted on multiple warrants arrested after fight with officers in Wilson Co.
 
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