To Protect and to Serve II

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orangeblood79 said:
1. Let's get this straight, right off the bat, this guy did not deserve to die. Period. End of story.



2. It is rare that anyone on patrol would have an arrest warrant on them--I think there might be some confusion having to show proof of a search warrant there...maybe/maybe not.
3. The officer who hopped on the tractor asked the other officer "It's confirmed?"--meaning, is the warrant confirmed through dispatch through this person's DL, name/DOB, etc--the other officer stated that it was.
4. The man shrugged away the officer's hands when he attempted to grab him by the wrist, then jumped at the officer who was attempting to get onto the tractor in a threatening manner....game on.
5. Even still, the officer whose body cam is what I assume the video comes from, continues to address the man as "Mr. Frank"...
6. At no point did their level of force exceed the level of threat. Mr. Frank was even slumped over and talking up until the point where they got him on the ground.
7. Given the fact that he had already actively fought not to go to jail, it's not unusual for someone to just go limp.
8. No one wanted that outcome. Body cam officer stated several times that he can take a look at the warrant when he gets to jail...that's his due process.
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Do you have produce the warrant? Seems like in today's word of technology, producing the warrant should not be a problem, and should be mandatory.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Do you have produce the warrant? Seems like in today's word of technology, producing the warrant should not be a problem, and should be mandatory.
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I don’t see why it can’t be displayed on the laptops in their cars. I know they can play solitaire/freecell on them, I’ve watched troopers do that at a red light more than once.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let's stay on point. You and i both know it's not reasonable to produce evidence of a warrant on every arrest.
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Let's say a guy gets pulled over for speeding. It's determined that he has arrest warrants. I don't think the cop should have to produce the physical warrants for that arrest. It's not practical. On the other hand, when a cop goes specifically to serve a warrant, as it appears to be in the case, there is no reason they shouldn't possess the warrant. All JMO.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Let's say a guy gets pulled over for speeding. It's determined that he has arrest warrants. I don't think the cop should have to produce the physical warrants for that arrest. It's not practical. On the other hand, when a cop goes specifically to serve a warrant, as it appears to be in the case, there is no reason they shouldn't possess the warrant. All JMO.
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More than reasonable. If you come to my house and say you have a warrant, better have it with you.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Let's say a guy gets pulled over for speeding. It's determined that he has arrest warrants. I don't think the cop should have to produce the physical warrants for that arrest. It's not practical. On the other hand, when a cop goes specifically to serve a warrant, as it appears to be in the case, there is no reason they shouldn't possess the warrant. All JMO.
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This is the point I'm trying to make. Sure, if they are going for the sole purpose of effecting a warrant arrest (or serving one), they should have it in hand.

Bigger picture, it's unreasonable and unworkable to think every jurisdiction in every State in America should be required to show proof of a warrant from every other jurisdiction in every State upon effecting an arrest for said warrant.

"You know, I know you're wanted for first degree murder in California, but I just don't have the warrant with me. Guess I'll need better luck next time and you have a good day!"

And we can even get into the VPO situation. "You know, I know you kicked the hell out of your wife and you're violating her protection order. But I just don't have it on me, so sorry ma'am, but there's nothing we can do."

The big picture is what I'm pressing at.
 
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Grand Vol said:
This is the point I'm trying to make. Sure, if they are going for the sole purpose of effecting a warrant arrest (or serving one), they should have it in hand.

Bigger picture, it's unreasonable and unworkable to think every jurisdiction in every State in America should be required to show proof of a warrant from every other jurisdiction in every State upon effecting an arrest for said warrant.

"You know, I know you're wanted for first degree murder in California, but I just don't have the warrant with me. Guess I'll need better luck next time and you have a good day!"

And we can even get into the VPO situation. "You know, I know you kicked the hell out of your wife and you're violating her protection order. But I just don't have it on me, so sorry ma'am, but there's nothing we can do."

The big picture is what I'm pressing at.
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The state of today’s technology says you’re wrong. Could be as easy as an air printer.
 
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If the police are going to execute, or this is the primary reason for going to pick up an individual, they need to have it.

Occurences that happen on the spot because of something else or some other crime or investigation, and then it shows up during the event, then having one in hand should not be necessary.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The state of today’s technology says you’re wrong. Could be as easy as an air printer.
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I don't necessarily think it is a matter of being able to do so or not, if the person does have an existing warrant then it can be produced back at the station if the warrant isn't petty and meaningless, like you didn't pay a parking ticket. Issue a ticket and let them go. However, if the warrant is for a felony or crime deserving then produce it back at the station.

My only issue is that sometimes when a person is pulled over for something else, and then the pursuit of an existing issue is sought for furthuring the arrest in liue of the original issue. But, it still doesn't change the fact that the individual has an issue needing attention, and most of them know full well of the existing issue and havn't sought to correct it lawfully.
 
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tennvols77 said:
If the police are going to execute, or this is the primary reason for going to pick up an individual, they need to have it.

Occurences that happen on the spot because of something else or some other crime or investigation, and then it shows up during the event, then having one in hand should not be necessary.
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That’s kinda the real point, isn’t it. If they are executing the warrant, of course it should be in hand.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The state of today’s technology says you’re wrong. Could be as easy as an air printer.
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They have that technology, it's called NCIC.

As for downloading the appropriate file, it's, again, unreasonable to think it should be immediately available.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Take the situation in question. How hard was it to just go back to the car and either produce a copy of the warrant or show him the proof they have?
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You ask this after posting the link about cops lying? Who's too say the person wouldn't claim it was "made up" and refuse?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You ask this after posting the link about cops lying? Who's too say the person wouldn't claim it was "made up" and refuse?
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Truth is truth. Cops can legally lie or otherwise give misleading information to someone and get away with it. But if we lie to the cops, woe onto you.
 
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tennvols77 said:
I don't necessarily think it is a matter of being able to do so or not, if the person does have an existing warrant then it can be produced back at the station if the warrant isn't petty and meaningless, like you didn't pay a parking ticket. Issue a ticket and let them go. However, if the warrant is for a felony or crime deserving then produce it back at the station.

My only issue is that sometimes when a person is pulled over for something else, and then the pursuit of an existing issue is sought for furthuring the arrest in liue of the original issue. But, it still doesn't change the fact that the individual has an issue needing attention, and most of them know full well of the existing issue and havn't sought to correct it lawfully.
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Isn't that kinda like suspending one of your workers for missing too many days?
 
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