To Protect and to Serve II

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Grand Vol said:
You have my permission to post the stats. I'll let you know if it's "too damn many" or not.
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Give me a number of what you consider to be too damn many.

Any reasonable person should have a number in their mind that would be cause for alarm if it is reached.

Give me that number Grand.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not the one claiming "too damn many" as an exact figure.

You know I can argue a specific point, but when ambiguous terms are used, it's hard to say "You're wrong!" with anything to back it up.

Unless of course you're getting into your philosophical mode (and it appears you are) and you just can't be argued with.
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I think its pretty clear there are entirely too many laws on the books. Resulting in these confrontations with police.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Give me a number of what you consider to be too damn many.

Any reasonable person should have a number in their mind that would be cause for alarm if it is reached.

Give me that number Grand.
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You don't have any numbers to post. All this bluster and you still don't have anything to add.

Figures...
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I think its pretty clear there are entirely too many laws on the books. Resulting in these confrontations with police.
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I won't disagree with to many laws on the books for certain. But where we tend to disagree is how those laws are enforced. Or if they are enforced.

But yes, there are too many laws, regulations and whatnot.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I won't disagree with to many laws on the books for certain. But where we tend to disagree is how those laws are enforced. Or if they are enforced.

But yes, there are too many laws, regulations and whatnot.
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No, the point of contention is that too many of these encounters result in far too many civilians dying at the hands of cops.

We can argue the amount of laws separately, but for right now, you are the one challenging the notion that civilians are not dying far too often.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, the point of contention is that too many of these encounters result in far too many civilians dying at the hands of cops.

We can argue the amount of laws separately, but for right now, you are the one challenging the notion that civilians are not dying far too often.
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Still waiting on you to post the stats.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Still waiting on your to give me a number.
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Doesn't matter what arbitrary number I post. You still don't have the stats.

A reasonable person would have posted them by now. But as we've seen time and time again, you are not what we would consider "reasonable."
 
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Grand Vol said:
Doesn't matter what arbitrary number I post. You still don't have the stats.

A reasonable person would have posted them by now. But as we've seen time and time again, you are not what we would consider "reasonable."
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So your number is what again?

I've got stats with links already to post. I just need for you to tell me what number is a "reasonable" number of cops killing civilians whether it be "justified or unjustified".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So your number is what again?

I've got stats with links already to post. I just need for you to tell me what number is a "reasonable" number of cops killing civilians whether it be "justified or unjustified".
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If you had the reference items, you would have posted them already.

You're stalling and trying to find anything that backs up your position.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If you had the reference items, you would have posted them already.

You're stalling and trying to find anything that backs up your position.
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No, I'm waiting on you to give us all the benchmark in your mind that would even make you say, "you know, this is getting a bit out of hand". Obviously, my number would be as close to 0 as possible. Yours on the other hand we have no idea about. 100? 250? 2000?

Once I post the stats, you will then come back and say "well, X amount isn't so bad... it's probably trending down anyway".

If you want to maintain what little bit of intellectual honesty you have, you would at least give us that baseline number and then let the facts speak for themselves.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, I'm waiting on you to give us all the benchmark in your mind that would even make you say, "you know, this is getting a bit out of hand". Obviously, my number would be as close to 0 as possible. Yours on the other hand we have no idea about. 100? 250? 2000?

Once I post the stats, you will then come back and say "well, X amount isn't so bad... it's probably trending down anyway".

If you want to maintain what little bit of intellectual honesty you have, you would at least give us that baseline number and then let the facts speak for themselves.
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So you don't have any info to share...

There's your "intellectual honesty" in action. Just bluster, no proof.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The point is, there are far better ways of getting the car back than putting the cops and public at risk over a car that is insured in the first place.
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hog88 said:
I don't agree with you very often but there is very few justifications for high speed chases.
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If my car is stolen, I don't want it back after being abused in a high speed chase, and especially after it's killed someone.

Police: if my car is stolen, do some investigation after the fact and try to get it back that way. It is valuable enough for me to insure. If it weren't, it would not be valuable enough to risk the lives of the public/officers.

Thank you.
 
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Good post OC. I never understood the logic behind high speed chases. What good can come of it versus the risks involved?

I hope it isn't some "thrill of the chase" adrenaline junky attitude that makes cops want to escalate a situation that severely.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Good post OC. I never understood the logic behind high speed chases. What good can come of it versus the risks involved?

I hope it isn't some "thrill of the chase" adrenaline junky attitude that makes cops want to escalate a situation that severely.
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Lawd, lawd. Never thought I'd see the day. Can we hold hands? Just for a few minutes?

:)
 
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I used to officiate football with a couple of TN state troopers.....they said that "if" they do not chase, for example a car thief or an armed robber, there will be more criminals that think that they can ALWAYS get away with the crime JUST by driving fast ........thoughts? (I am not saying I agree, just giving what they gave me for an answer)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
If my car is stolen, I don't want it back after being abused in a high speed chase, and especially after it's killed someone.

Police: if my car is stolen, do some investigation after the fact and try to get it back that way. It is valuable enough for me to insure. If it weren't, it would not be valuable enough to risk the lives of the public/officers.

Thank you.
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A guy I went to HS became a cop in Roanoke VA and was chasing some kids speeding, they crashed killing a couple of them and a woman and kid in another car.

I've always wanted to ask him if that speeding ticket was worth it.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I used to officiate football with a couple of TN state troopers.....they said that "if" they do not chase, for example a car thief or an armed robber, there will be more criminals that think that they can ALWAYS get away with the crime JUST by driving fast ........thoughts? (I am not saying I agree, just giving what they gave me for an answer)
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Do they punch their kids, and the neighbor's kids, and occasionally the neighbors and a random grandmother, so that their kids don't think they can get away with stuff?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Do they punch their kids, and the neighbor's kids, and occasionally the neighbors and a random grandmother, so that their kids don't think they can get away with stuff?
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I guess if Granny has broken the law, maybe.

Your cute comment does not apply here, unless you have started using LG logic.....they do not just chase for the hell of it as my post clearly stated. They also do not chase when it puts others in danger. But, that does not fit the "tone" of this thread. (Once again, I am not agreeing with anything they said, just giving the other side)
 
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T-TownVol said:
I guess if Granny has broken the law, maybe.

Your cute comment does not apply here, unless you have started using LG logic.....they do not just chase for the hell of it as my post clearly stated. They also do not chase when it puts others in danger. But, that does not fit the "tone" of this thread. (Once again, I am not agreeing with anything they said, just giving the other side)
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