To Protect and to Serve II

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Carl Pickens said:
True, but the conflict was initiated by someone doing something incredibly stupid...... Which was the point I used to try and make. You guys used to say I was defending cops when I was basically saying don't do stupid **** and put yourself in a bad position to begin with.
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Yeah, but most of the time it's cops enforcing drug laws or some other completely stupid "law."

Yes I know, in the world in which we live these things are against the law. My question is, "is morality on the side of the cop, or the person?"
 
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Pacer92 said:
I'm not saying I wouldn't have popped her too, but a question...

I'm assuming he knew the civilian was armed and dangerous? Why not stop 30-40 yds away and assess the situation a little more instead of charging in head long? Not being argumenative but just curious...
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Someone who's already been violent, attacked another cop and requesting assistance? Why wouldn't they get in there to help? The cop that shot wasn't exactly right up on the house. He parked well enough back but she was already advancing when he stopped.

Honestly, we don't know all the info here, but if (a what if scenario) the deputy had said "she's not threatening at this time and just sitting there" that would have cleared the officers in. Just food for thought.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Might as well have heard Michael Buffer say, "let's get ready to rumble!!" From the onset, that situation was ending badly regardless.
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Can you do me a favor? Like log out and log back in and argue or something.

This is getting way too uncomfortable.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, but most of the time it's cops enforcing drug laws or some other completely stupid "law."

Yes I know, in the world in which we live these things are against the law. My question is, "is morality on the side of the cop, or the person?"
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Good question....May be thread worthy.

I understand that being a policeman/woman is a tough a job as this country offers, especially today...

Doing a job that carries lethal consequences is no small task...

Even though I think this particular shooting could've been avoided, looking from a different perspective as the cop, I can't say for sure I wouldn't do the same...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Someone who's already been violent, attacked another cop and requesting assistance? Why wouldn't they get in there to help? The cop that shot wasn't exactly right up on the house. He parked well enough back but she was already advancing when he stopped.

Honestly, we don't know all the info here, but if (a what if scenario) the deputy had said "she's not threatening at this time and just sitting there" that would have cleared the officers in. Just food for thought.
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I can see that. Officer reported injured and comrades closing in for support without first hand perspective..

In the end, no one is injured if mad lady isn't yielding/swinging an axe..
 
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Grand Vol said:
Can you do me a favor? Like log out and log back in and argue or something.

This is getting way too uncomfortable.
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You know how I look at things. I don't hate cops, I hate the profession. In these situations you have to look at it from a self defense prospective. I judge it from what would I do, not necessarily what is "legal."
 
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Undercover cops getting their kicks beating up suspects (innocent or guilty)... Oh, notice that they used their typical chokehold finishing move.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq1eKiDtmI[/youtube]
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Undercover cops getting their kicks beating up suspects (innocent or guilty)... Oh, notice that they used their typical chokehold finishing move.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeq1eKiDtmI[/youtube]
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Demanded they delete the videos...

Taxpayers will be on the hook for this one.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Just informing the misled.

The most ironic thing is when I tell people they should be free. You know what is the most common response? "No, I shouldn't."
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There's nothing wrong with "having" a government, the implementation of it is where things often go awry.

And before you say it, yes, that includes law enforcement, among every other segment of government. Asking for perfection, which you seem to seek, is asking for the impossible.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
There's nothing wrong with "having" a government, the implementation of it is where things often go awry.

And before you say it, yes, that includes law enforcement, among every other segment of government. Asking for perfection, which you seem to seek, is asking for the impossible.
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How do you balance this protection with personal liberty?

I have never said I wanted perfection. That would mean a utopia, and that is impossible. I want problems, I want rules. I trust a free people to be able to figure these things out without resorting to violence as a first response.
You simply cannot achieve a moral end beginning with immoral means. That is truly impossible.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
How do you balance this protection with personal liberty?

I have never said I wanted perfection. That would mean a utopia, and that is impossible. I want problems, I want rules. I trust a free people to be able to figure these things out without resorting to violence as a first response.
You simply cannot achieve a moral end beginning with immoral means. That is truly impossible.
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Then your trust is misguided, if not outright wrong.

We've been down this road before. I truly have no interest in rehashing a subject that neither of us will budge or change our opinions on.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Just informing the misled.

The most ironic thing is when I tell people they should be free. You know what is the most common response? "No, I shouldn't."
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I am "free".....In a world with this many people.....every single person cant have the freedom that you desire bc it will infringe on other people's "freedoms"
 
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