To Protect and to Serve II

[MercyPercy]

I guess it is the Christian in me and my "rais'n", but committing a crime is committing a crime whether you get caught by LE or now......That's just me.....

Does the Christian in you think it's fair and just from a moral perspective that people are rotting in prison for selling drugs that are often less harmful than legal substances like alcohol and tobacco?

 

[T-TownVol]

Does the Christian in you think it's fair and just from a moral perspective that people are rotting in prison for selling drugs that are often less harmful than legal substances like alcohol and tobacco?

You have not been following me and my comments have you? (or maybe it was in the other thread)
I do not....I am for a form of punishment that is not agreed with by many on here......confiscation

 

[ob79]

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OK, so now that my ability to type and spell have been addressed, do you care to comment on the substance of what I said?

Sure...a crime is any offense which is punishable by city, municipality, state or government.

 

[MercyPercy]

You have not been following me and my comments have you? (or maybe it was in the other thread)
I do not....I am for a form of punishment that is not agreed with by many on here......confiscation

Why should there be any punishment for an adult selling to another adult?

 

[T-TownVol]

Why should there be any punishment for an adult selling to another adult?

That answer is in the first post of mine that you used to ask the prison question........just my opinion, if it were legal, I would have no problem with it, but it is not currently.........

 

[T-TownVol]

Why should there be any punishment for an adult selling to another adult?

why does the guy/gal that shoot a deer out of season get the gun, truck and everything else used to kill the deer confiscated......they only do it once, works pretty well to at least slow that "crime" down......

 

[MercyPercy]

That answer is in the first post of mine that you used to ask the prison question........just my opinion, if it were legal, I would have no problem with it, but it is not currently.........

I'm not asking you if it's illegal, I know it is illegal. I'm asking you, essentially, should it be illegal? If your answer is no, it shouldn't be illegal, then you should have a problem with punishing a crime that in your mind should not be a crime.

To use a dramatic example to help point out the problem I see here, let's say in a fictional United States it's illegal to be a christian, and all christians are put to death if exposed. Using your reasoning, you may not agree with christianity being illegal, but since it is, you are fine with punishment. Of course this is a extreme example, but it exposes the flaw in the particular logic you're using, I think.

 

[T-TownVol]

I'm not asking you if it's illegal, I know it is illegal. I'm asking you, essentially, should it be illegal? If your answer is no, it shouldn't be illegal, then you should have a problem with punishing a crime that in your mind should not be a crime.

To use a dramatic example to help point out the problem I see here, let's say in a fictional United States it's illegal to be a christian, and all christians are put to death if exposed. Using your reasoning, you may not agree with christianity being illegal, but since it is, you are fine with punishment. Of course this is a extreme example, but it exposes the flaw in the particular logic you're using, I think.

Asked and answered....not playing the "what if" game.....

 

[MercyPercy]

why does the guy/gal that shoot a deer out of season get the gun, truck and everything else used to kill the deer confiscated......they only do it once, works pretty well to at least slow that "crime" down......

Now you're making an argument that there should be punishment because it is effective in curbing the crime.

1) I don't know why you're doing this, as I don't find it relevant considering I don't think any punishment is just or fair to begin with.

2) I don't think it's a particularly good argument since we've been confiscating drugs and money for decades now at an ever increasing rate and the illegal drug trade is still going strong.

 

[T-TownVol]

OK

 

[MercyPercy]

Asked and answered....not playing the "what if" game.....

It's simply a thought exercise to help you understand why your position is not logically consistent.

Feel free to stop responding if you feel like you have already covered this ground before, I'm in and out and often miss a few pages here and there.

 

[MercyPercy]

OK

You've got a way with words..

 

[T-TownVol]

Don't need your help, but thanks......

 

[MercyPercy]

:hi:

 

[T-TownVol]

:hi:

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm not asking you if it's illegal, I know it is illegal. I'm asking you, essentially, should it be illegal? If your answer is no, it shouldn't be illegal, then you should have a problem with punishing a crime that in your mind should not be a crime.

To use a dramatic example to help point out the problem I see here, let's say in a fictional United States it's illegal to be a christian, and all christians are put to death if exposed. Using your reasoning, you may not agree with christianity being illegal, but since it is, you are fine with punishment. Of course this is a extreme example, but it exposes the flaw in the particular logic you're using, I think.

I've already been down this road with him yesterday. He still thinks I should provide for him a punishment for a law that I don't agree with in the first place.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Now you're making an argument that there should be punishment because it is effective in curbing the crime.

1) I don't know why you're doing this, as I don't find it relevant considering I don't think any punishment is just or fair to begin with.

2) I don't think it's a particularly good argument since we've been confiscating drugs and money for decades now at an ever increasing rate and the illegal drug trade is still going strong.

And I would add...

3) Law enforcement has already shown a tendency to abuse the power to confiscate the property of civilians through civil asset forfeiture.

 

[MT LeConte]

OK, he's an habitual criminal. No question. He has four priors all for the theft of low dollar items. He clearly hasn't learned a lesson or perhaps he has a mental problem. Should the tax payers be footing the bill, which will be substantial to house, clothe, feed and provide medical care for this man for twenty years?

Obviously something has to be done but what? Any Ideas?

I think this is the appropriate forum for this item since criminal justice is a political issue right now.

Candy theft could mean king-size sentence: 20 years to life

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Man, the dude has a chocolate problem. Have the judge make him pay $31 dollars for the candy bars & a $500 dollar fine for being stupid w/a year on probation.

 

[apevol]

Just have his sweet tooth pulled

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Just have his sweet tooth pulled

.....and then insert a brain.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Cops have killed civilians for far less (loose cigarettes). He's lucky to be alive.

 

[jp1]

Cops have killed civilians for far less (loose cigarettes). He's lucky to be alive.

I leave for 5-6 months from the politics forum and on my return I find the same Ole Ras' still talking about loose cigarettes. Some things never change I guess.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I leave for 5-6 months from the politics forum and on my return I find the same Ole Ras' still talking about loose cigarettes. Some things never change I guess.

Don't ever forget that there was a man that lost his life over those loose cigarettes...

I don't care if you get tired of hearing it or not.

 

[jp1]

Don't ever forget that there was a man that lost his life over those loose cigarettes...

I don't care if you get tired of hearing it or not.

People lose their lives over more trivial things too. Just figured you would have moved on to another diatribe by now. Good to see your panties still remain bunched up though.