To Protect and to Serve II

#876
#876
Rasputin_Vol said:
And you want to compare a misdiagnosis that ends in death to a clear violation of someone's rights that ends in death.
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You want me to break down the exact number of police shootings for cause?

I'm not sure you want to take that route...

But in the end, you're 100 times more likely to get killed by a medical professional than you are by a cop.
 
#877
#877
Grand Vol said:
Why not keep ignoring the base numbers like you keep doing?

100,000+ killed by the medical profession.

1,200 killed by cops.

You try to avoid the baseline numbers and I'm even omitting 100,000 dead off that list since sometimes medication conditions are out of control.

Classic troll tactic. Ignore the evidence smacking you in the face and try to divert attention onto minutia or numbers you just can't prove. "Prison industrial complex." Okay, just how many people have they killed?
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Your base numbers are skewed because you are comparing an entire industry to one segment/profession.

I tell you what, let doctors and cops trade places for one year and tell me how many people cops kill in the hospitals and compare it to how many people doctors kill on our city streets. Because after all, being a doctor is so easy and it is much easier to diagnose diseases and illnesses than it is to enforce the constitution.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Because it's stupid on its very face. The two do not even remotely relate.

For an equal assessment, let's compare people killed by the Detroit police department and those killed by the threat management center.
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I'm not the one that brought up the principle in the first place. One of your fellow cop bashers did that and wouldn't counter the argument put forth. But made a very childish remark about me "tossing the game board onto the floor" or some such nonsense. You know what that is other than childish?

Zero argument and zero counter to anything brought forth. And furthermore, zero accountability in the medical profession when they murder people. At the very least more often than not police shootings have grand jury hearings or investigations. How many of those 200,000+ people killed by the medical field get that kind of treatment? Nope, the families get paid off. And the same people that killed are allowed to continue to work with zero accountability in the matter.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And for you to say "this argument is silly" means you are giving a pass to others because of your own built in bias and hatred. You see, I can be objective here, unlike you and others. I can call a spade a spade when the situation warrants. And bring arguments you just cannot counter because of said bias.

But continue to believe you are the voice of reason.
 
#879
#879
Rasputin_Vol said:
Your base numbers are skewed because you are comparing an entire industry to one segment/profession.

I tell you what, let doctors and cops trade places for one year and tell me how many people cops kill in the hospitals and compare it to how many people doctors kill on our city streets. Because after all, being a doctor is so easy and it is much easier to diagnose diseases and illnesses than it is to enforce the constitution.
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You're welcome to provide the statistics on how many people the so called "prison industrial complex" kills on a yearly basis for a direct comparison.

And please don't say "a lot more" because I won't be able to contain my laughter.
 
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#880
Grand Vol said:
I'm not the one that brought up the principle in the first place. One of your fellow cop bashers did that and wouldn't counter the argument put forth. But made a very childish remark about me "tossing the game board onto the floor" or some such nonsense. You know what that is other than childish?

Zero argument and zero counter to anything brought forth. And furthermore, zero accountability in the medical profession when they murder people. At the very least more often than not police shootings have grand jury hearings or investigations. How many of those 200,000+ people killed by the medical field get that kind of treatment? Nope, the families get paid off. And the same people that killed are allowed to continue to work with zero accountability in the matter.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. And for you to say "this argument is silly" means you are giving a pass to others because of your own built in bias and hatred. You see, I can be objective here, unlike you and others. I can call a spade a spade when the situation warrants. And bring arguments you just cannot counter because of said bias.

But continue to believe you are the voice of reason.
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I'm not here to discuss others. I think you need to reevaluate your use of the word murder. Had it been murder the doctors would've be charged as such. Why do you think there is a long list of papers to sign before committing to a treatment? Because of the inherent nature of medicine, it's dangerous.

Btw, objectivity is bull****. We all have our own biases so don't even pull that card.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
So you won't be answering any of the questions then? Lol typical

Btw the government gets their supposed validity by threats of violence.

Sacred cows make the best hamburgers

Read a book.
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Read a book..... That's a freaking joke... Just bc someone doesn't believed in your messed up view of the world doesn't make them any less intelligent.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Read a book..... That's a freaking joke... Just bc someone doesn't believed in your messed up view of the world doesn't make them any less intelligent.
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I didn't question the mans intelligence beast, I simply said to inform himself of other views, in other words, read a book.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I'm not here to discuss others. I think you need to reevaluate your use of the word murder. Had it been murder the doctors would've be charged as such. Why do you think there is a long list of papers to sign before committing to a treatment? Because of the inherent nature of medicine, it's dangerous.

Btw, objectivity is bull****. We all have our own biases so don't even pull that card.
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It's bc doctors have certain protections according to the job they perform just like cops do... The average citizen does not get the same protections.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I'm not here to discuss others. I think you need to reevaluate your use of the word murder. Had it been murder the doctors would've be charged as such. Why do you think there is a long list of papers to sign before committing to a treatment? Because of the inherent nature of medicine, it's dangerous.

Btw, objectivity is bull****. We all have our own biases so don't even pull that card.
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So the 12,000 people killed by unnecessary surgery signed off on the "inherently dangerous" nature of medicine? No, they were convinced by a doctor they needed that surgery. And willingly signed off on said surgery because they didn't question the knowledge of said doctor. And paid for that with their life. And did I see 12,000 surgeons going to trial for it?

Objectivity isn't bull**** and you know it. You cannot be objective in this thread so I have every right to pull that card.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It's bc doctors have certain protections according to the job they perform just like cops do... The average citizen does not get the same protections.
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For doctors I understand. Cops on the other hand, that's messed up. Badges do not grant extra rights. At least they're not supposed to.
 
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#886
Grand Vol said:
So the 12,000 people killed by unnecessary surgery signed off on the "inherently dangerous" nature of medicine? No, they were convinced by a doctor they needed that surgery. And willingly signed off on said surgery because they didn't question the knowledge of said doctor. And paid for that with their life. And did I see 12,000 surgeons going to trial for it?

Objectivity isn't bull**** and you know it. You cannot be objective in this thread so I have every right to pull that card.
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Most doctors inform patients about the risks involved in any particular procedure. Why else do you think we have to sit through those ridiculous commercials warning about the side effects of a particular medicine?
As we discussed yesterday, murder implies intent to commit malice toward an individual. A dr serving the patients needs or wants does not apply here. It's a civil matter.

My thing is, how in holy hell does this relate to a police officer killing someone? It doesn't, so that's why the argument is silly.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
For doctors I understand. Cops on the other hand, that's messed up. Badges do not grant extra rights. At least they're not supposed to.
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Nope, nope, nope.

Why should doctors be afforded extra rights? We aren't talking a trauma surgeon here trying to save the life of an accident victim or an EMT that has a patient die on the way to the hospital.

Care to comment on this case in particular?

Federal suit: Baylor failed to stop cocaine-using surgeon from harming patients | | Dallas Morning News
 
#889
#889
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
For doctors I understand. Cops on the other hand, that's messed up. Badges do not grant extra rights. At least they're not supposed to.
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You don't think their should be protections for police officers that have to deal with the worst that society has to offer on a daily basis....I am grateful for the jobs that cops, and medical professionals do.
 
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#892
#892
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Most doctors inform patients about the risks involved in any particular procedure. Why else do you think we have to sit through those ridiculous commercials warning about the side effects of a particular medicine?
As we discussed yesterday, murder implies intent to commit malice toward an individual. A dr serving the patients needs or wants does not apply here. It's a civil matter.

My thing is, how in holy hell does this relate to a police officer killing someone? It doesn't, so that's why the argument is silly.
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So you are saying that people don't know the risks of committing crimes?
 
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#895
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
In a word, no.
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I think you are wrong.... Our defensive coordinator claims that pressure bursts pipes and that is dealing with a ball game.... Think of the pressure going into a rough neighborhood where 17 murders had been committed in a single weekend.... The ones committing crimes should be punished to the fullest extent of the law but the others should have protections when doing their job.
 
#896
#896
Grand Vol said:
And that should only be a civil liability?

No criminal charges?
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Well, clearly the dr, as well as the hospital he worked for should be sued into the Stone Age. But, I'm not seeing where he faced any criminal charges.

Again GV, murder implies intent. Operating under the influence while terrible, is only negligence in my opinion.
 
#900
#900
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Well, clearly the dr, as well as the hospital he worked for should be sued into the Stone Age. But, I'm not seeing where he faced any criminal charges.

Again GV, murder implies intent. Operating under the influence while terrible, is only negligence in my opinion.
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How about manslaughter then? Because here's the quote from article about the large elephant in the room:

The board suspended Duntsch’s license last summer, calling him a “continuing threat to public health.” In revoking his license in December, the board said he violated care standards in the treatment of six patients, including two who died.
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Two people died and the only thing they did was pull his license? And he's eligible to reapply after a year?

This doctor deserves special rights for knowingly operating on patients while under the influence and killing two people, even unintentionally?
 
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