To Protect and to Serve II

#733
#733
titansvolsfaninga said:
That sucks
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Holding authority figures accountable for their actions is important. It's especially important when they are given special rights over civilians, including detainmemt and deadly force. You see it as bashing, well, that's just a childish "haters gonna hate" mentality that perpetuates the bad behavior rather than curbing it.
 
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#735
#735
Rasputin_Vol said:
Above the law...
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Patrick J. Lynch, president of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the city’s main police union, said the case against Mr. Liang should not have been brought in the first place. “The reasons cited by the D.A. for justifying no jail time in this tragedy are the very same reasons that the officer should not have been indicted,” Mr. Lynch said.

Edward Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, who had also disagreed with Mr. Thompson for seeking an indictment of Mr. Liang, said the decision not to seek jail time was correct.

“Of course, Officer Liang shouldn’t be in jail,” Mr. Mullins said in a statement. “He never should have been convicted.”
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Indeed.
 
#738
#738
RobsPics said:
To put it more accurately, it's a rouge cop bashing thread. And rouge cops deserved to be bashed don't you agree?
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titansvolsfaninga said:
No.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Rogue cops don't deserve to get bashed?
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titansvolsfaninga said:
No more so than rogue politicians, doctors, teachers, dead beat parents, religious officials, etc. They do a job that a lot of people don't want to do, why single them out?
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Now you are pivoting.

First you clearly said rouge cops do not deserve to be bashed.

Then later you say rouge cops do not deserve to be bashed more than other rouge people.

Those are two different positions.
 
#741
#741
orangeblood79 said:
Law enforcement is the only profession to have screw ups? Interesting.
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LE is the only profession I can think of where they can multiple videos from different angles of two cops murdering a man and not only are they cleared of wrong doing but the profession stands behind them. So you're right... That is pretty f'n interesting.
 
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#744
#744
Cdywolfe said:
LE is the only profession I can think of where they can multiple videos from different angles of two cops murdering a man and not only are they cleared of wrong doing but the profession stands behind them. So you're right... That is pretty f'n interesting.
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lol

We've already had the conversation about how the medical community can have multiple witnesses of a doctor murdering a person and then escape any kind of criminal litigation. And have the profession stand behind them.

Glass houses, stones, the old saying you know.
 
#746
#746
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Comparing doctors to cops is pretty stupid. You don't see doctors out violently enforcing good health habits upon the populace do you?
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If one wants to create the strawman of "no other profession kills and gets away with it" then absolutely, the comparison is valid. Even on the low side, over 100,000 people are killed every year by the medical profession:

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Killing 225,000 People Every Year

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

  • 12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
  • 7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
  • 20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
  • 80,000 -- infections in hospitals
  • 106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs

(I dropped the side effects of drugs since that's something that typically cannot be foreseen)

How Many Die From Medical Mistakes In U.S. Hospitals? : Shots - Health News : NPR

Compare that to the roughly 1,200 people killed by police, I'd say that ledger is way imbalanced. And how many of those medical professionals are brought to criminal trial?

970,000 doctors in the US alone

765,000 sworn officers in the US

Absolutely a valid comparison.
 
#747
#747
Grand Vol said:
If one wants to create the strawman of "no other profession kills and gets away with it" then absolutely, the comparison is valid. Even on the low side, over 100,000 people are killed every year by the medical profession:

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Killing 225,000 People Every Year

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

  • 12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
  • 7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
  • 20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
  • 80,000 -- infections in hospitals
  • 106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs

(I dropped the side effects of drugs since that's something that typically cannot be foreseen)

How Many Die From Medical Mistakes In U.S. Hospitals? : Shots - Health News : NPR

Compare that to the roughly 1,200 people killed by police, I'd say that ledger is way imbalanced. And how many of those medical professionals are brought to criminal trial?

970,000 doctors in the US alone

765,000 sworn officers in the US

Absolutely a valid comparison.
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Once again you miss the most important aspect. People voluntarily agree to be treated by a doctor, cops on the other hand, not so much.
 
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#748
#748
And you wonder why your medical insurance is so high? It's not just from the uninsured, but from the payouts to civil litigation from wrongful death. Just this firm alone averaged $40,000,000 a year from medical malpractice suits:

How Much Is A Wrongful Death Lawsuit Worth?

$2 billion over 50 years. Just one firm.

Here's a CNN article that says 10,739 lawsuits for medical malpractice had claims paid. On average $400,000 per case. Over $4 billion a year in settlements and lawsuits to the medical industry.

Harmed in the hospital? Should you sue? - CNN.com

Let that one sink in before you go all An-Cap about your tax dollars being paid for "armed thugs."
 
#749
#749
Cdywolfe said:
LE is the only profession I can think of where they can multiple videos from different angles of two cops murdering a man and not only are they cleared of wrong doing but the profession stands behind them. So you're right... That is pretty f'n interesting.
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There are multiple professions that have been culpable of someone's death that have been cleared.

Rasputin_Vol said:
Doctors in general save more lives than they lose.

I would lump lawyers in with cops under the umbrella of prison industrial complex.
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You're blinded by your own prejudice if you think that. LEO's do far more proactive measures to save lives than reactive. It's comparable to the medical field, I guaran-f'ing-tee you.

Grand Vol said:
lol

We've already had the conversation about how the medical community can have multiple witnesses of a doctor murdering a person and then escape any kind of criminal litigation. And have the profession stand behind them.

Glass houses, stones, the old saying you know.
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Yep. There's a reason why malpractice premiums are so ridiculously high these days.

DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Comparing doctors to cops is pretty stupid. You don't see doctors out violently enforcing good health habits upon the populace do you?
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Notwithstanding the obvious educational requirements, we both are licensed, have annual training/education requirements, can be decertified and never allowed back into the profession and the outcome of our actions can save or take lives.
 
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#750
#750
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Once again you miss the most important aspect. People voluntarily agree to be treated by a doctor, cops on the other hand, not so much.
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People don't volunteer to die when they go into surgery. There's a risk associated with it, sure, but they don't go in wanting to be killed.

How many times in a year is there a suicide by cop incident?
 
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