To Protect and to Serve II

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Dude from Lynyrd Skynrd got shot on someone's porch asking for help after surviving their plane crash..... That's what I call a really bad day
 
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Let's get the cops' opinions on how these LEOs responded to this call. For the ****ing life of me, it does not make sense to roll up two feet away from someone who you might believe is armed(with a gun) and dangerous. Tim? GV? Is that what they should have done? Is that what they are trained to do?

This has always been pretty clear cut murder, or at least manslaughter in my opinion and I haven't seen or read much to challenge that belief.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Everybody needs to watch Making a Murderer on Netflix. It's a documentary series. It's so good. Even a skeptical anarchist like myself can't believe this level of corruption from the criminal justice system. Amazing case. Stranger than fiction.
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Kinda like believing the government orchestrated 9-11? Sorry if you're not one of the many truthers in this thread.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Let's get the cops' opinions on how these LEOs responded to this call. For the ****ing life of me, it does not make sense to roll up two feet away from someone who you might believe is armed(with a gun) and dangerous. Tim? GV? Is that what they should have done? Is that what they are trained to do?

This has always been pretty clear cut murder, or at least manslaughter in my opinion and I haven't seen or read much to challenge that belief.
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Wasnt there. It was a homicide, the GJ has ruled on it so I'd defer because I'm ignorant to the facts.

I will say this. I have inextricably found myself much closer to the "action" without intent than I wanted. Some guys just land in it. Others, military or le, can vouch. Some guys get all the bad luck (or luck, depending on your perspective). Be it bad tactics, bad luck, bad person its all bad.
 
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They found themselves close to the action because they chose to literally drive a few feet next to a suspect who they were informed was supposedly armed with a gun and pointing it at others. That's not an accident.
 
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MercyPercy said:
They found themselves close to the action because they chose to literally drive a few feet next to a suspect who they were informed was supposedly armed with a gun and pointing it at others. That's not an accident.
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This is just strictly a guess on my part but I think it might depend on where you live.... If something like this happened at a park near where I lived the cops might approach it more calmly and be rolling up to "check" on the situation. While if it happened in a high crime type of area they might come in on two wheels like these officers bc they think "oh sh&t, it's going down".
 
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MercyPercy said:
They found themselves close to the action because they chose to literally drive a few feet next to a suspect who they were informed was supposedly armed with a gun and pointing it at others. That's not an accident.
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What's the point in asking for an opinion if all you're going to do is second guess it?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Uh, because I'm trying to figure out if what they did was part of their training or just massive brainfarts that led to the death of a 12 year old.
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No answer given, no explanation and nothing any of us could say will ever be acceptable.
 
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It's my belief that poor tactics were used by the cops that directly led to the kids death. Poor tactics being, driving up right to the pavilion, when common sense says that distance is much safer for everyone involved.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's my belief that poor tactics were used by the cops that directly led to the kids death. Poor tactics being, driving up right to the pavilion, when common sense says that distance is much safer for everyone involved.
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Its possible. However, with the new active shooter training, officers are trained to directly confront the threat in an effort to limit casualties.

Again, I wasnt there and have zero basis of knowledge.
 
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volbeast33 said:
This is just strictly a guess on my part but I think it might depend on where you live.... If something like this happened at a park near where I lived the cops might approach it more calmly and be rolling up to "check" on the situation. While if it happened in a high crime type of area they might come in on two wheels like these officers bc they think "oh sh&t, it's going down".
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No. You are definitely wrong.

No cop anywhere is going to calmly and slowly "check" on a situation when they are told that a guy is in a park pulling a pistol out and pointing at people. You are just dead wrong.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's my belief that poor tactics were used by the cops that directly led to the kids death. Poor tactics being, driving up right to the pavilion, when common sense says that distance is much safer for everyone involved.
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Oh, so you are an expert now on operational tactics for law enforcement? Tell me, where did you get your certification and are you road patrol or corrections, or maybe dual certified?

You have no freaking clue what you are talking about.

Had the police more slowly responded and this kid started shooting and killing passers by, you'd be screeching about their incompetence.
 
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tim said:
Kinda like believing the government orchestrated 9-11? Sorry if you're not one of the many truthers in this thread.
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Not a truther. I think the truthers ITT are on your side when it comes to criminal justice matters.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What's the point in asking for an opinion if all you're going to do is second guess it?
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The opinions need to be based on the details of this case, right?

The cop didn't just find himself in a tight spot. He put himself there, so Tim's explanation doesn't work.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No. You are definitely wrong.

No cop anywhere is going to calmly and slowly "check" on a situation when they are told that a guy is in a park pulling a pistol out and pointing at people. You are just dead wrong.
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There are questions on how that was stated....I was just stating that cops may react differently based on the areas they patrol.
 
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tim said:
Its possible. However, with the new active shooter training, officers are trained to directly confront the threat in an effort to limit casualties.

Again, I wasnt there and have zero basis of knowledge.
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Shoot first, ask questions last...

I swear between this so-called war on terror and this so-called war on drugs, cops will be shooting civilians like dogs on the streets and/or robbing us blind with civil asset forfeitures.
 
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volbeast33 said:
There are questions on how that was stated....I was just stating that cops may react differently based on the areas they patrol.
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Not for this.

We expect the police to confront crime. We pay them to do so. We should be very slow to blame them when a kid with a toy gun that was intentionally manipulated to make it look more real is pointing it at people, they react understandably swiftly, and he starts to pull the gun out of his waistband.

That is what they knew. All this Monday morning quarterbacking, from the comfort of a chair and a keyboard, is just not reasonable or fair.

All the complaints I hear from people about this now are some kind of after the fact judgment, based on additional facts that the officers did not have at the time.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Shoot first, ask questions last...

I swear between this so-called war on terror and this so-called war on drugs, cops will be shooting civilians like dogs on the streets and/or robbing us blind with civil asset forfeitures.
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Maybe if so many civilians wouldn't be active shooters than there wouldn't be a need for active shooter training.
 
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Glad to know that our local PD will have about 10 different roadblocks in the area for New Years doing "safety checkpoints"..............
 
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n_huffhines said:
The opinions need to be based on the details of this case, right?

The cop didn't just find himself in a tight spot. He put himself there, so Tim's explanation doesn't work.
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He put himself there reasonably and did what he was trained to do and society expects of him. Its not even close, given the FBI analysis of the video.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He put himself there reasonably and did what he was trained to do and society expects of him. Its not even close, given the FBI analysis of the video.
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No he didn't. There is no way they are trained to roll up on potentially dangerous people (children) like that. It creates more risk for everyone involved.

It put him in a position where he felt like he had no other choice and made a bad snap decision. A terrible snap decision. An innocent boy is dead.
 
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