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Just say we have a Head Coach vacancy (which I don't think we will for a couple of years, at least), How will everybody on the Freeze Train be if he comes in and does the same or worse than Pruitt has by year three? Just curious.

FYI: My stance on the whole situation is this. Pruitt is our coach. I will not dog or disrespect him, the athletic program or the university. I will support all things Tennessee. Now, do I like the state our program is in? NO! But at this time, we have no coaching vacancy. Also, I have nothing against Freeze. May be my top choice if we do have a spot open.
 
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MBVolFan said:
Just say we have a Head Coach vacancy (which I don't think we will for a couple of years, at least), How will everybody on the Freeze Train be if he comes in and does the same or worse than Pruitt has by year three? Just curious.

FYI: My stance on the whole situation is this. Pruitt is our coach. I will not dog or disrespect him, the athletic program or the university. I will support all things Tennessee. Now, do I like the state our program is in? NO! But at this time, we have no coaching vacancy. Also, I have nothing against Freeze. May be my top choice if we do have a spot open.
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Failing coaches need to be shown the door, no matter how much fanfare or excitement accompanied them into the position. 3 years is enough to know if you are trending the right way...wins and losses are not the only barometer.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Failing coaches need to be shown the door, no matter how much fanfare or excitement accompanied them into the position. 3 years is enough to know if you are trending the right way...wins and losses are not the only barometer.
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I totally agree. Just curious if we would be at this exact same place in year three of Freeze.
 
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Then you fire his ass and keep trying until you get it right! If you don't... just shut the program down!!!! If you don't continue to strive for "excellence" (meaning conference championships), then why have a program? The ONLY revenue you'll get is SEC tv money and 10k fans in a 100k seat stadium with billboards covering the empty seats like Fed Ex stadium in DC. Can't wait.
 
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MBVolFan said:
I totally agree. Just curious if we would be at this exact same place in year three of Freeze.
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Hugh went 9-4 in year three at OM, finishing 3rd in the west. But I doubt we’d be any worse than we currently are. Bet he wouldn’t lose to Georgia St, BYU or of all teams Arkansas. Who has a first time head coach leading the helm there.
 
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Freeze may not be my first, second, or third choice but he's in the top five. He would walk in here with this team we have right now and win 8 games next year - maybe 9. He may never win a Natty but I'm confident he would coach circles around what we have now. I think he has us contending for the East by his 3rd year. This is Gomer's 3rd year and he has us contending for - well - one of the bottom teams in D1 football.
 
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All I ask for is contending for the East yearly...that means in the top three at the end of the season. Win it every three to four years. That gets you in the mix for bigger things, and really is all we have the right to expect right now. My expectations are not unreasonable. Beat who you're supposed to beat, compete with the big-3, and don't let anyone embarass you. Just be respected again.
 
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Well Boro...For me, apathy has set in because we all know Fulmer isn't going to admit he screwed up this soon, so we are stuck with the bama homer for at least another year.
Pretty sure we could lose to Candy by 20 and he will still be here next year.
 
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CoachClick said:
Well Boro...For me, apathy has set in because we all know Fulmer isn't going to admit he screwed up this soon, so we are stuck with the bama homer for at least another year.
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I don't necessarily disagree. But Santa has my Christmas list, and I've been a good boy.
 
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MBVolFan said:
Just say we have a Head Coach vacancy (which I don't think we will for a couple of years, at least), How will everybody on the Freeze Train be if he comes in and does the same or worse than Pruitt has by year three? Just curious.

FYI: My stance on the whole situation is this. Pruitt is our coach. I will not dog or disrespect him, the athletic program or the university. I will support all things Tennessee. Now, do I like the state our program is in? NO! But at this time, we have no coaching vacancy. Also, I have nothing against Freeze. May be my top choice if we do have a spot open.
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'Boro-vol said:
All I ask for is contending for the East yearly...that means in the top three at the end of the season. Win it every three to four years. That gets you in the mix for bigger things, and really is all we have the right to expect right now. My expectations are not unreasonable. Beat who you're supposed to beat, compete with the big-3, and don't let anyone embarass you. Just be respected again.
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Yes, sir. These are not unreasonable expectations. This isn't too much to ask at a university with the resources and tradition we have.
 
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Impossible to say how I would react to a hypothetical ( Freeze sucks ) on top of another hypothetical ( Freeze is hired ) on top of another hypothetical ( Pruitt fired ).

That being said, I would think the circumstances would matter.

Blowout losses to every team with a pulse versus close loses would make a difference as an example.

How is recruiting going and how player development are going are others.

For the record , I am not on board the Freeze is the next great thing train. I think they need to be aiming higher.
 
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As much as some of you (us) might like to change coaches, I agree with OP it is not happening this year. Forget Freeze as he will not be available next year when we do finally fire Pruitt. I also do not believe Fulmer would hire Freeze even if he (Freeze) would come to TN. Fulmer is a "straight arrow" and will not take a chance on someone will the baggage Freeze carries (this is just my opinion but I believe it is correct).
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Failing coaches need to be shown the door, no matter how much fanfare or excitement accompanied them into the position. 3 years is enough to know if you are trending the right way...wins and losses are not the only barometer.
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Planting my flag firmly in this camp. If a coach has it, it will show by Year 3 (and usually the real jump is in Year 2).
 
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Coaching is a performance based occupation.....if you are the coach for the job, your program should not be breaking negative records in the third year of your tenure.....
 
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'Boro-vol said:
If he fails...move on. But at this point the bar for improvement is not real high. Regardless we have to incentivize excellence and stop giving unnecessary and costly extensions.
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While I agree regarding the extension (for Pruitt), I don't know that taking the high ground with regard to buyouts and fat contracts does the University any good at all. No one hires someone expecting them to fail, and no coach is going to take a contract with language that essentially reads "we're worried you might suck, so we don't want to get shafted again."

The reality is that demand for high-quality football coaches exceeds supply. As long as that is the case, the landscape of the coaching contract world is just going to keep leaning in the favor of the coaches (and agents).
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
While I agree regarding the extension (for Pruitt), I don't know that taking the high ground with regard to buyouts and fat contracts does the University any good at all. No one hires someone expecting them to fail, and no coach is going to take a contract with language that essentially reads "we're worried you might suck, so we don't want to get shafted again."

The reality is that demand for high-quality football coaches exceeds supply. As long as that is the case, the landscape of the coaching contract world is just going to keep leaning in the favor of the coaches (and agents).
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I don't take issue with anything you stated. Maybe I'm naive...but I believe you could structure a contract with lucrative tiered incentives that would protect both parties. Structure it so that as you reach the top levels you have the ability to become the top paid coach in the country. Tie extensions directly to performance. Somebody has to start looking out for the employer in this situation. The problem is we look to agents like Sexton, and don't seem to have any aces up our sleeve.
 
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