To counter the homer threads, could UT beat Florida if...

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AFL2008 said:
They haven't proven anything at Tennessee yet. Orgeron is coming off an epic fail at Mississippi. Monte Kiffin hasn't coached in college since 1982... (27 years) Chaney was in the big 10... Of all of these, Eddie Gran is the most impressive COLLEGE assistant right now and the one I like the best.

But even if they end up being as awesome as they are on paper, UT still has a walk on at MLB and a 260 pound starter at DT....
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If Ed Orgeron were the head coach, you'd have a point. Chaney was in the Big 10, but he was essentially coaching their version of Vanderbilt. Shockingly, Monte's defenses 27 years ago and earlier were excellent, just as his NFL defenses were. I guess he's suddenly going to suck now, though. Also I find it odd that Orgeron sucks because his team struggled recently, but Eddie Gran is great even though his team sucked more recently.
 
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I don't think Florida will be scored on this year. Possibly ever again. I also think tebow pisses gold and ****s diamonds. He is the best leader since Washington, when he speaks mountains move and diseases are cured.
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AFL2008 said:
For the record, I think you're all crazy. Not one of you tried to argue from a personnel standpoint. You were all about "heart, coaching, and toughness," which is fair enough I guess, but I can't really debate with you about that.
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Debating Ed Orgeron's effectiveness as a DL coach based on a 3 year stint as a head coach and not his 17 years as a DL coach is really sane, though.
 
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AFL2008 said:
Ok. So after this discussion this is my conclusion:

Despite all of UT's losses on defense, despite the # of true freshmen that are going to be playing, despite the lack of depth on the Dline, and despite a walk on starting at MLB...

You all think that the UT defense is going to be elite simply because the coaches are so awesome they can't be stopped?

I'm sorry I got on a tangent arguing with you about the coaches. No one has any idea how they'll do. Not even them, I'm sure.

Thanks for the debate.

For the record, I think you're all crazy. Not one of you tried to argue from a personnel standpoint. You were all about "heart, coaching, and toughness," which is fair enough I guess, but I can't really debate with you about that.

Have a nice night.
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UT will be better at every defensive position with the exception of linebacker, and yes a good deal of that is because of the coaching.

We are four deep at DE and have a proven secondary. The linebackers are a huge concern. I don't expect that to be the case beyond this season. They have a few frosh that Monte really likes.

Not once have I said that I expect an elite defense this year. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it closes the gap significantly next year.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
Explain what I'm confused about. While you are at it, get another joke writer.
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You are on a UT fan site, if you want people to agree with your drivel go to a gator site or don't be so sensitive when gator fans get ragged on this site.

it wasn't a joke
 
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Trying to be rationale with gator trolls is just a waste of time. I just hope they get knocked off their high horse this year. The drivel they spew has gotten just about unbearable. We all know Timmy walks on water and the urban myth is better than any NFL coach.
 
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AFL2008 said:
They haven't proven anything at Tennessee yet. Orgeron is coming off an epic fail at Mississippi. Monte Kiffin hasn't coached in college since 1982... (27 years) Chaney was in the big 10... Of all of these, Eddie Gran is the most impressive COLLEGE assistant right now and the one I like the best.

But even if they end up being as awesome as they are on paper, UT still has a walk on at MLB and a 260 pound starter at DT....
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This post is an epic fail. If Urban Meyer decided to coach high school football, would you claim that he hadn't proven anything yet AT THAT HIGH SCHOOL and question his ability to deal with all the "new tricks?"
 
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Listen. Just because a coach is successful one place it does not guarantee that a coach will be successful somewhere else.

Meyer at the HS level? Who knows. He can't recruit, he just has to deal with what he has, and is he allowed to bring his awesome staff or is the PE coach his assistant?

Different rules, different game. Also I'm guessing that Meyer would not have the S&C program that is famously good uner Mariotti at UF.

Lots of factors contribue to a coaches success people.

And you can say I'm spouting drivel, but you guys are so caught up in the hype, you have lost the ability to be objective. Well, there are a few of you that are objective, but not many.
 
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AFL2008 said:
And you can say I'm spouting drivel, but you guys are so caught up in the hype, you have lost the ability to be objective. Well, there are a few of you that are objective, but not many.
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Give me a break. Orgeron has produced elite DL talent at every stop. You acting like he won't do it at UT is less objective than me expecting him to continue what he's always done. It's pretty much the same deal with the other coaches. If I were touting Frank Wilson as the best WR coach in the nation, you'd have a point, as he's relatively unproven. The other guys have a solid history of success that you want to pretend doesn't exist. What is objective about that?
 
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AFL2008 said:
Listen. Just because a coach is successful one place it does not guarantee that a coach will be successful somewhere else.

Meyer at the HS level? Who knows. He can't recruit, he just has to deal with what he has, and is he allowed to bring his awesome staff or is the PE coach his assistant?

Different rules, different game. Also I'm guessing that Meyer would not have the S&C program that is famously good uner Mariotti at UF.

Lots of factors contribue to a coaches success people.

And you can say I'm spouting drivel, but you guys are so caught up in the hype, you have lost the ability to be objective. Well, there are a few of you that are objective, but not many.
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Maybe the younger bunch on here, but most know where we stand. I don't by any means think this defense is going to be dominate. For that matter last years wasn't either. A lot of things factored into being ranked 3rd overall, the fact the sec was downright pitiful on offense last year helped that out. I actually said a few months ago i thought the defense would take a step back. I'll give you a break i haven't heard the amount of drivel coming from you as i have the others. Still, most on here including me are tired of hearing how invincible the gators are and how good Meyer and Tebow are. Remember where you are and that might make some sense too you, if not your not worth the time like the rest.
 
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kptvol said:
Give me a break. Orgeron has produced elite DL talent at every stop. You acting like he won't do it at UT is less objective than me expecting him to continue what he's always done. It's pretty much the same deal with the other coaches. If I were touting Frank Wilson as the best WR coach in the nation, you'd have a point, as he's relatively unproven. The other guys have a solid history of success that you want to pretend doesn't exist. What is objective about that?
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Just because I don't annoint thes coaches as automatically amazing, you guys think I'm not objective. What I'm doing is questioning whether or not they will be immediately effective.

FSU put together an all star coaching staff a few years ago. What did that get them?
 
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AFL2008 said:
Just because I don't annoint thes coaches as automatically amazing, you guys think I'm not objective. What I'm doing is questioning whether or not they will be immediately effective.

FSU put together an all star coaching staff a few years ago. What did that get them?[/QUOTE]

You trolling on there board?
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#113
anything is possible. maybe if they lost teaboa they would lose some confidence. Especially if a critical mistake was made. then the could implode from within, inside their mind

this is my 1st post btw, i need 20 to start a thread looking for john ward audio files.. yes i searched and can't find em
 
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AFL2008 said:
FSU put together an all star coaching staff a few years ago. What did that get them?
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Gosh. I just wonder if Urban will be able to fix that mess he inherited in Gainesville.

And what all stars did they bring in? A new OC and a new linebacker coach?
 
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AFL2008 said:
FSU put together an all star coaching staff a few years ago. What did that get them?
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Really, glad you noticed. Seems the rest of the college football world miss that one. Don't seem to remember them doing an over haul of their coaching staff from top to bottom.
 
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Cartervol said:
Maybe the younger bunch on here, but most know where we stand. I don't by any means think this defense is going to be dominate. For that matter last years wasn't either. A lot of things factored into being ranked 3rd overall, the fact the sec was downright pitiful on offense last year helped that out. I actually said a few months ago i thought the defense would take a step back. I'll give you a break i haven't heard the amount of drivel coming from you as i have the others. Still, most on here including me are tired of hearing how invincible the gators are and how good Meyer and Tebow are. Remember where you are and that might make some sense too you, if not your not worth the time like the rest.
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I don't think the Gators are invincible. I do think that UF has some personnel advantages over most teams right now. (2009)

And I keep getting caught up in this argument about the UT coaches. Honestly, no one knows how good they're going to be. Probably somewhere between your expectations and the rest of CFB's expectations. (in other words, not as good as most here think, but not as bad as most Non-UT people think.)

Listen, when I first started posting here I predicted UT to go 9-3, (although after seeing the depth chart I think 8-4 is more likely at this point.)

THe reason I started comparing defenses is because someone in this thread said that the 2009 UT defense would be equal to the 2009 UF defense.

But I can't see how anyone can support the stance that the UT defense will be as good as Florida's. Just look at the players and the depth. I've asked people to argue personnel, but everyone just brings up the coaches, which is impossible to argue at this point either way IMO.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Really, glad you noticed. Seems the rest of the college football world miss that one. Don't seem to remember them doing an over haul of their coaching staff from top to bottom.
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You know. They got Jimbo Fisher, Chuck Amato, and someone else... I can't remember. They made big noise about it in like, 2006? I think thats the year it happened. Maybe 2007. I can't remember for sure.
 
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Don't the Gators have their own website? If we wanted to know information about the Gators, we would go to their website but I am on here to find out information about the VOLS. The VOLS are going to beat them anyways....
 
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AFL2008 said:
You know. They got Jimbo Fisher, Chuck Amato, and someone else... I can't remember. They made big noise about it in like, 2006? I think thats the year it happened. Maybe 2007. I can't remember for sure.
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A linebacker coach and an OC. Yeah, that's really the equivalent of completely replacing a staff that's mostly been around for 15 years.
 
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AFL2008 said:
What?
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The coaching staff turnover from Zook to Meyer was probably closer to the situation in Knoxville than the recent FSU staff changes. You guys only hung onto one coach from Zook's staff. FSU only made a couple of changes.
 
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VOLFANINMAITLNDFL said:
Don't the Gators have their own website? If we wanted to know information about the Gators, we would go to their website but I am on here to find out information about the VOLS. The VOLS are going to beat them anyways....
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Talking about your rivals on your own team board is totally useless. its hard to sift through the hate to find objective info.

So if you wanna read up on your rival, go to your rivals site.

Then, take the homeristic UT love from here, mix it with the Gator disdain from GC, and you'll have a good average of what to expect from Tennessee this year.

Try it with UF. Or UGA. Or whomever. You'll find that you can form a better opinion when you know the opposite ends of the spectrum. Reality always lies somewhere in the middle.
 
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AFL2008 said:
You know. They got Jimbo Fisher, Chuck Amato, and someone else... I can't remember. They made big noise about it in like, 2006? I think thats the year it happened. Maybe 2007. I can't remember for sure.
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Exactly, you can't remember. The Seminoles kept the same ole at the top. No change in overall culture.
 
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