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#26
#26
Nice post woodsman, I agree with a lot of what u said, I'm not sure about the 10-2 record though.. But I hope we do!
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#28
#28
This game meant absolutely nothing, and it should be clear that was intended. White offense looked better because they were actually running plays. I remember orange team ran a slant to Dallas, a post Hunter and some kind of hook to Milton. The rest of the plays were basically tossing it up to hunter.

Come this fall, I'm guessing a lot of us will be surprised how the REAL team looks, in a good way.
 
#29
#29
WoodsmanVol said:
Disclaimer # 1. I'm not a football savant.

Disclaimer # 2. I readily admit a good number of folks on this board know more about football than I can ever even presume to think I know.

That being said here's my take on the O & W game as it pertains to our QBs.:

I like Bray. I think he brings a factor into our games in that he is a risk taker and not afraid to keep trying when things go bad. But I think he got about as much protection as Simms did today and pretty much sucked. Too darn pass happy and didn't really use his RB and even I could predict what he was going to do and throw to whom.

I've said it before and basically got HA, HA responses to it, but Simms is a better game manager. Today, he did what I've predicted he will do if and when he is called in to replace Bray. He gave a Bart Starr performance. Nothing gee whiz or even partially exciting. Just called plays that got the game won. Something i think he's fully capable of doing if he has halfway decent protection. Which i think that OL is now ready to provide with a fair degree of consistency. Despite all he's been through, he still has fire in him, though I think he overdoes it when he scores or makes a good play. But then again, he didn't do any throat slashing gestures. I'm saying he a shrewd play caller and if he has decent protection, can win games because of it.

Bray revealed a tendency to depend on his arm too much and when he does this against SEC defenses, they will make him pay for it. However, I also think that a major part of his problem was the performance of the secondary. I think we're going to have a heck of a secondary even when we have to use backups. I think Bray is great but right now too one dimensional. Still, with the full set of receivers, TEs and slot receivers, he will probably get away with it more often than not. I think he should start but if he's being non-productive and the defense is just holding things together, Simms would be the better answer as we'd need a tactician in game like that.

I fully expect folks here to tar and feather me for these comments but that's what I saw in the O & W game. I also know you can't really draw firm conclusions based on such games.

Offhand comments: Goins surprised me and he wasn't always covering "scrubs" as some say here. That Coleman fellow was noticeable too. I really think we're going to surprise some teams this season. I still think we're going to end up with a 10-2 record. And all the signees haven't even arrived yet. Signees who will include players ready to serious push for PT or even displace current starters. We're going to surprise some people big time.
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I am not completely sure, but from what I saw(i.e. the qbs checking the sideline after every play) Simms and Bray weren't the ones calling the plays. However, Bray did try to use his arm to go to the wrong receiver more often than not. At one point on 3rd and 8, IIRC, he threw it 20 yards incomplete with Poole standing all alone about a yard past the first down marker.
 
#30
#30
You guys are giving him much more slack than you did Simms last year. I still think he should start, but you have to admit the level of criticism for Simms was much worse than given to Bray.
 
#31
#31
volroadwarrior said:
You guys are giving him much more slack than you did Simms last year. I still think he should start, but you have to admit the level of criticism for Simms was much worse than given to Bray.
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If Bray was playing like that in a real game and just chucking it up to Hunter in double, triple, quadruple coverage nearly every play. I'd have him on the bench in quite a hurry, thats for sure.
 
#33
#33
TennFan0027 said:
I am not worried about Bray. So he had an off day. He also had the weaker O line and WR group, the only thing he had gong for him was Poole. I think he will be fine or at least I hope he will be.
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TO BE HONEST:

I'm not worried because today was a scrimmage where players were joking with coaches in interviews. I know it doesn't mean anything. Bray and Simms sucked last year too, but everyone thought Bray was going to win the job. I will stick to that. There are no "Off days" in scrimmages. As much as everyone wants this to be an SEC game, its not.
 
#37
#37
WoodsmanVol said:
Disclaimer # 1. I'm not a football savant.

Disclaimer # 2. I readily admit a good number of folks on this board know more about football than I can ever even presume to think I know.

That being said here's my take on the O & W game as it pertains to our QBs.:

I like Bray. I think he brings a factor into our games in that he is a risk taker and not afraid to keep trying when things go bad. But I think he got about as much protection as Simms did today and pretty much sucked. Too darn pass happy and didn't really use his RB and even I could predict what he was going to do and throw to whom.

I've said it before and basically got HA, HA responses to it, but Simms is a better game manager. Today, he did what I've predicted he will do if and when he is called in to replace Bray. He gave a Bart Starr performance. Nothing gee whiz or even partially exciting. Just called plays that got the game won. Something i think he's fully capable of doing if he has halfway decent protection. Which i think that OL is now ready to provide with a fair degree of consistency. Despite all he's been through, he still has fire in him, though I think he overdoes it when he scores or makes a good play. But then again, he didn't do any throat slashing gestures. I'm saying he a shrewd play caller and if he has decent protection, can win games because of it.

Bray revealed a tendency to depend on his arm too much and when he does this against SEC defenses, they will make him pay for it. However, I also think that a major part of his problem was the performance of the secondary. I think we're going to have a heck of a secondary even when we have to use backups. I think Bray is great but right now too one dimensional. Still, with the full set of receivers, TEs and slot receivers, he will probably get away with it more often than not. I think he should start but if he's being non-productive and the defense is just holding things together, Simms would be the better answer as we'd need a tactician in game like that.

I fully expect folks here to tar and feather me for these comments but that's what I saw in the O & W game. I also know you can't really draw firm conclusions based on such games.

Offhand comments: Goins surprised me and he wasn't always covering "scrubs" as some say here. That Coleman fellow was noticeable too. I really think we're going to surprise some teams this season. I still think we're going to end up with a 10-2 record. And all the signees haven't even arrived yet. Signees who will include players ready to serious push for PT or even displace current starters. We're going to surprise some people big time.
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Overall, a good post but you need to understand that QB's, especially underclassman QB's, do not call the plays at all. The coach (usually the OC) calls the play and the QB usually has a couple of options to check off to at the line, but the younger the QB, the fewer check off options he has due to his lack of understanding of both his own offense and the defense he is looking at. It is the OC and HC that might or might not be a "good tactician" -- QB' are not.

Dooley specifically said that he had to tell Chaney to call more pass plays today. Apparently, that is what he wanted to see more of, so that is what you saw.

mlsoft
 
#38
#38
The whole thing is a conspiracy. CDD met with Bray and Hunter before the game in a secret breakfast meeting and told them to "make it look real bad". He wants the SEC to think we have no O! Shhh! ;)
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#39
#39
It's a spring game, he took some chances he won't take during a real game, is O-line was weaker than the one that will protecting him, he had Hunter and Milton, but he didn't have the entire unit that he will be throwing to, no Arnett or D Rogers...I think he had the number 2 back, i've thought before the spring game that Neal will take the starting spot from Poole.

The way the teams were setup it's hard to tell anything.
 
#41
#41
Heebs said:
He had the best and third best WR's on the team plus the starting TE and the 1st string RB. I'm not gonna get worried yet but that's not an excuse for him.
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You must didnt watch the game and see his passes get droped.
 
#43
#43
WesternKyVol said:
Bray didn't just have an "off-day". He sucked horribly. I haven't understood why so many have been so quick to anoint him...
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Probaly because you don't understand football. Please go back and study the game before you bash or at least watch it. Did you watch it or are you a stat watcher? I'll throw ya a bone, you can't pass every down and expect to be efficient, Hunter was never open and when he was he dropped the ball which could of gone for 50 yards.
 
#45
#45
volroadwarrior said:
You guys are giving him much more slack than you did Simms last year. I still think he should start, but you have to admit the level of criticism for Simms was much worse than given to Bray.
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Lol what are you talking about, this was a scrimmage not Bray going for 5-30 in a real game. give slack to who for what. Now if Bray sucks for 6 weeks straight and we give him slack then you have a point.
 
#47
#47
mlsoft said:
Overall, a good post but you need to understand that QB's, especially underclassman QB's, do not call the plays at all. The coach (usually the OC) calls the play and the QB usually has a couple of options to check off to at the line, but the younger the QB, the fewer check off options he has due to his lack of understanding of both his own offense and the defense he is looking at. It is the OC and HC that might or might not be a "good tactician" -- QB' are not.

Dooley specifically said that he had to tell Chaney to call more pass plays today. Apparently, that is what he wanted to see more of, so that is what you saw.

mlsoft
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Yeah, I now see what the coach said. I was just giving my view of the game but in Dooley I trust.
 
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