To all who are not TT fans...I have a read for you!

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Ok, here's the counterargument to that completely legitimate line of reasoning. Who do you want us to get? We can go out and get an established coordinator, who is probably going to clash with Phil and will introduce a completely new offensive system. Or we can get a Fulmer neophyte, say a Kippy Brown or the like, and try to incorporate his ideas into what we currently do. Or we can elevate Trooper, maintain or maybe even enhance our current recruiting ability, and see if he can bring new ideas to an offensive system that has served us well and has just gotten a little stagnant. The people who think we're scrapping everything and going to some drastic new offense under Philip Fulmer obviously haven't been paying attention the last three decades.

It's not like we need to go to the spread or the spread option, we just need to bring a fresh look to our offense. There are still a lot of successful I-Formation teams in college football(Georgia, LSU, Auburn), and the spread option is no more going to take over college football than the run and shoot did before it.

Titanic
 
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Titanic said:
Ok, here's the counterargument to that completely legitimate line of reasoning. Who do you want us to get? We can go out and get an established coordinator, who is probably going to clash with Phil and will introduce a completely new offensive system. Or we can get a Fulmer neophyte, say a Kippy Brown or the like, and try to incorporate his ideas into what we currently do. Or we can elevate Trooper, maintain or maybe even enhance our current recruiting ability, and see if he can bring new ideas to an offensive system that has served us well and has just gotten a little stagnant. The people who think we're scrapping everything and going to some drastic new offense under Philip Fulmer obviously haven't been paying attention the last three decades.

It's not like we need to go to the spread or the spread option, we just need to bring a fresh look to our offense. There are still a lot of successful I-Formation teams in college football(Georgia, LSU, Auburn), and the spread option is no more going to take over college football than the run and shoot did before it.

Titanic
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Good post. It is the probably, the maybe and see if that hurts the argument for me. This is not about maintaining momentum. It is about creating new momentum. Proven experience tends to eliminate those types of words. We cannot afford to have someone learning on the job.
 
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Lexvol said:
Good post. It is the probably, the maybe and see if that hurts the argument for me. This is not about maintaining momentum. It is about creating new momentum. Proven experience tends to eliminate those types of words. We cannot afford to have someone learning on the job.
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Totally agree lex yeah trooper can recruit. But we know nothing of his OC skills. Why, well he's never been a OC. Tennessee can't afford a whiff on this one. If we are to get out of the rut were in we need someone who has been there and done that. Then again i'am kinda one of these people that believe phil has more than just a little influence on the playcalling. Trooper may not be a bad choice but it is the unknown that worry's me. Reminds me to much of the sanders situation and that scares me.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I really do not understand why so many of you have such a hate for him.
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I understand exactly why the hate is there. The chest bumps and the wearing of the hat backwards is a reflection on Trooper's intellect. People naturally make snap judgements about people's character based solely on superficial things like this. :crazy:
 
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kptvol said:
In my opinion the most realistic way for Trooper to become UT's offensive coordinator is to head to Baylor and crank out good offenses for several years. If he does that, the next time the OC job opens up, he'll be remembered because of his ties to UT.
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He may not come back for a latteral move.
 
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It would seem everyone agrees he will continue to consistently get talent to come in, maybe even tipping the scales for some high-end recruits possibly, especially if OC.

Can he further develop the talent? I think what he's done to this point confirms he can. The receiving corps, and backs before them, both show substantive improvement under him.

No one argues he gets everyone around him juiced up - one direction or another. There's no one lukewarm on the guy for sure and I for one say that's a good thing.

Can he call a game? Who knows.

I for one say give him a chance. I think the offense would be anything but boring, anything but predictable, and the players who are on the field will not be lacadaisical or unprepared.

Sign him up to a one year deal with an extension contingent on performance maybe, but give him a shot before he gets away.

That's my vote.
 
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Lexvol said:
If you think that anyone hates Troop you are missing the point. This is not about liking/disliking someone. Trooper may turn out to be a good coordinator/head coach one day.

What you are reading on the board is really more of a reaction to the fans of Taylor. Chest bumping and waving towels does not make you a bad person. In fact it makes you fun to watch. On the flip side, just because you have "likeable energy", does not qualify you to be a coordinator.

He has proven to be a good recruiter (he is not on a recruiting level with Rodney Garner) and a servicable position coach. Promoting him to coordinator now would be a huge roll of the dice, and we simply cannot afford to gamble right now.

UT is in keep up mode right now. We need someone with a experience calling plays. It is really as simple as that.
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Lexvol said:
Good post. It is the probably, the maybe and see if that hurts the argument for me. This is not about maintaining momentum. It is about creating new momentum. Proven experience tends to eliminate those types of words. We cannot afford to have someone learning on the job.
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agreed. it's the "what if".

as to the article, it's a good read and certainly, i don't think anyone thinks TT has not done a good job thus far with what he has been asked to do.

but i have yet to hear or read anything about his offensive philosophy, what he would bring to the table as a cooridnatoar etc.....

i think we can generate even a more positive vibe or more momentum, even with recruiting, with the right hire for this position. would i like to retain TT? yes. am i sold that we should do it at the expense of making a better hire for this position? no. would i be upset if he was hired as OC? probably not, but for me, i would still have a hard time believing, as i did with CRS, that TT had free reign over the offense. and the net result would just be more of the same.
 
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As I see it, at some point, everyone has to have someone give them a shot to either prove or disprove that they can do the job. It is a huge risk to promote TT to OC because he has not proven himself yet, but what if he leaves and goes to Baylor, or Okie State and is a huge success, we all (including CPF will be kicking ourselves), then again, what if he is promoted and he flops? It will be an "i told you so" situation and everyone will say to CPF "what were you thinking?". I love the enthusiasm of TT, and Im all for giving him a shot, knowing the risks. There are risks no matter who we bring in. Its not the "chest bumps" or the backwards hat that makes me like TT, it is how the players have responded to him in, and I think he demands respect and discipline. His players work hard, they know what they are doing. Give him a shot.
 
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1allvol said:
As I see it, at some point, everyone has to have someone give them a shot to either prove or disprove that they can do the job. It is a huge risk to promote TT to OC because he has not proven himself yet, but what if he leaves and goes to Baylor, or Okie State and is a huge success, we all (including CPF will be kicking ourselves), then again, what if he is promoted and he flops? It will be an "i told you so" situation and everyone will say to CPF "what were you thinking?". I love the enthusiasm of TT, and Im all for giving him a shot, knowing the risks. There are risks no matter who we bring in. Its not the "chest bumps" or the backwards hat that makes me like TT, it is how the players have responded to him in, and I think he demands respect and discipline. His players work hard, they know what they are doing. Give him a shot.
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and to date, the only schools willing to do so are Baylor and Ok St apparently. which ought to tell us something.
 
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the other thing to consider is if he is hired as oc is that it will be hire made because our hand was forced. it would be a move to essentially simply retain TT on our staff. which is putting all our eggs in one basket. Something i'm not necessarily fond of.
 
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jakez4ut said:
the other thing to consider is if he is hired as oc is that it will be hire made because our hand was forced. it would be a move to essentially simply retain TT on our staff. which is putting all our eggs in one basket. Something i'm not necessarily fond of.
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I think that's been my main issue too jake. And now that OSU makes an offer it's even more pressure to make a decision soon. But I'm also thinking that maybe there aren't that many candidates out there right now that are a "fit" for TN(whatever that is).
I'm now leaning towards giving TT a chance.
 
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And there's something to be said for a coach that has 100% support and trust from his players. I don't care if we find the greatest offensive mind out there, if he's a jerk/ahole, and doesn't relate to his players, that will have an impact on the field.
I agree with most others also regarding Fulmer keeping a tight rein on TT if he becomes OC, that is the biggest negative with hiring TT.
 
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Tennessee's next o/c has got to have a lot experience working with qb's.PERIOD! That's the no brainer to me.Trooper DOES NOT,(repeat) DOES NOT fall into that category!
 
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utfantilidie said:
Tennessee's next o/c has got to have a lot experience working with qb's.PERIOD! That's the no brainer to me.Trooper DOES NOT,(repeat) DOES NOT fall into that category!
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Thanks for the bold/caps, couldn't have read it without them. I think everyone gets your opinion.
 
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yeah, no need for the bold and caps. However, it's not even true. You can rearrange the coaches and have a capable QB coach under the OC. Who's to say the OC can't be a WR coach? Or a RB coach?
 
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and. even though I've already posted it once. There is a greater risk in hiring an OC with absolutely no experience vs hiring one with good, positive OC experience elsewhere.

Randy Sanders' wide receivers, running backs, and qbs all excelled while he was coach. He has proven to be every bit as valuable and more than Troop has so far. Yes, he's had longer to prove himself, I know that. But the bottom line is Randy Sanders is an incredible position coach and all of his stints prove that. I still argue that he has yet to be an offensive playcaller, despite what his titles may claim.
 
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A prophet has no honor in his own home town...but that's a different story. I personally think at this time, we lose more by letting Trooper go than we gain with a hire like Kippy. Kippy has been in the NFL way too long to have any significant recruiting ties and unless he has done something "Patriotesque" in his career, most kids are going to yawn. Plus, he wants to retire to TN. We need someone on the way up and not on the way down. There are really two choices, Trooper, or completely gut the offense and bring in something new and innovative. With all the programs in the SEC and across the country becoming successful overnight, it will be hard for Fulmer to sell Kippy. At least with Trooper he has a chance to stay the course and buy himself more time. If Trooper does not work out, he still has his sexy hire card to play a year or two down the road, and Trooper can join Sanders in KY. Honestly, I think Trooper is going to be one of the hottest OC in the country and he will have kids everywhere linning up to play for him. He has not been unsuccessful yet, and why should we doub't him now.
 
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TBALLVOL said:
A prophet has no honor in his own home town...but that's a different story. I personally think at this time, we lose more by letting Trooper go than we gain with a hire like Kippy. Kippy has been in the NFL way too long to have any significant recruiting ties and unless he has done something "Patriotesque" in his career, most kids are going to yawn. Plus, he wants to retire to TN. We need someone on the way up and not on the way down. There are really two choices, Trooper, or completely gut the offense and bring in something new and innovative. With all the programs in the SEC and across the country becoming successful overnight, it will be hard for Fulmer to sell Kippy. At least with Trooper he has a chance to stay the course and buy himself more time. If Trooper does not work out, he still has his sexy hire card to play a year or two down the road, and Trooper can join Sanders in KY. Honestly, I think Trooper is going to be one of the hottest OC in the country and he will have kids everywhere linning up to play for him. He has not been unsuccessful yet, and why should we doub't him now.
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Good, I'm still only going to respond to this once. Why is it such a big deal that we hire someone on the way up? It makes no difference if Kippy wants the job. He's not just going to sit on his laurels. Kippy can go to a recruit's house and explain to him how the NFL works and what Player X needs to do to get himself in the NFL. Trooper doesn't have the slighest idea about the innerworkinigs of the NFL. Kippy may not bring the energy, but he'll bring knowledge Trooper just hasn't attained yet.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I dont think so. I think UT fans are sorry for how they treated Sanders after seeing what he has done at UK. It is pretty clear that he was a scape goat. You cant NOT give TT the job b/c of what happened with RS. I mean what if TT is a success at OC - then we are going to have talks of him being a replacement for CPF.
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Sanders was not a scape goat and no one feels bad for him. He was completely over his head and was plain pitiful.

The main fault Fulmer had in it, was he let it go on too long.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Sanders was not a scape goat and no one feels bad for him. He was completely over his head and was plain pitiful.

The main fault Fulmer had in it, was he let it go on too long.
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typical fulmerite loving response completely void of any truth.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Typical clueless response.
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yeah the fact that it's been proven that Sanders wasn't allowed to open the playbook as much as he wanted to nor was he allowed to make decisions on which qb to use in 2005 had nothing to do with your boy phil
 
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