To all the Milton haters or even those concerned

[VolMack——————$]

after only one game. Here’s some statistics for you to consider:

Tee Martin’s first start versus Syracuse in 1998

9/26 for 143 yards

Peyton Manning’s first start versus Washington State

7-14 for 79 yards.

At 1:29:05 in the video below, you can see Manning overthrow a deep pass, which is the same sin you are already giving up on Joe Milton III over.

I say all this not to suggest that Milton is the next Tee Martin or Peyton Manning but instead merely to suggest that the overreaction to a couple of overthrows by some in our fan base is a bit premature.

Tee played Syracuse in a indoor arena which was a away game !!! Oh Syracuse had a good team and McNabb Qb.!!! Peyton played one of the great defenses back when. Oh Peyton was a FRESHMAN !!! We were playing bowling green so you better believe there’s some concerns. He had no pressure on him performing at home with a good offense against less of a opponent!!! So for whatever reason...We better hope things get better !

 

[Vol423]

after only one game. Here’s some statistics for you to consider:

Tee Martin’s first start versus Syracuse in 1998

9/26 for 143 yards

Peyton Manning’s first start versus Washington State

7-14 for 79 yards.

At 1:29:05 in the video below, you can see Manning overthrow a deep pass, which is the same sin you are already giving up on Joe Milton III over.

I say all this not to suggest that Milton is the next Tee Martin or Peyton Manning but instead merely to suggest that the overreaction to a couple of overthrows by some in our fan base is a bit premature.

Peyton was a true freshman. I guess that fact that Peyton didn't rewrite the NCAA records books as a true freshman means that we, as Vols fans, are supposed to just grin and bare it as upper classmen QB's produce one crappy performance after another against the very worst competition that college football has to offer. If that is your best defense for the absolute incompetence shown at the QB position by Milton, you're in serious trouble. Milton was an absolute train wreck. Without a significant upgrade in the output from the QB position this week, we'll lose in Neyland Stadium to Pittsburgh. Not much else needs to be said about that.

 

[Other_Guy]

I surprised this thread took so long to get here.

 

[VolArmy74]

To the people saying 1998 Syracuse was much better than Bowling Green, yes, that's obvious (though using Donovan McNabb as any kind of barometer regarding Tee's passing that day is baffling to say the least) but an equally massive factor, that 1998 Vols team had something like 35 NFL players on it, including multiple WR/RB/FB and OL. The 2021 team has probably got 2 or 3.

 

[Krobrid]

I honestly do not understand all the drama with the qb situation. If bailey or hooker was the guy they would be on the field starting. I don't give a crap who the starter is as long as we win. Quick example JG was our starter for the previous seasons and was horrible. I understand Bailey was a freshman but at the end of the day Pruitt knew or suspected he was on the hot seat and still stuck with JG. If Bailey had any promise wouldn't you think he would have thrown him in earlier in the season instead of the last 3 games? I'm not hating on Bailey but this is the second coach that has passed on Bailey from the beginning. Then again maybe I'm wrong.

 

[bigfredtn]

The teams that Peyton and Tee played on had NFL players at every position. How many NFL players are on this team?

 

[1SmokinVol]

TO OP- It's not the Stats, it's what we saw ! A QB flat footed taking way too long to try and read routes, NOT anticipating the break and then putting the ball on the money, low trajectory with no air under the ball so a receiver can run under it, inability to throw a receiver open, very tentative on runs, etc. We saw a lot of the same issues with the QB situation last year !! I HOPE I AM WRONG !

 

[CDB]

It's ONE game.... We have no idea who he will be as he gains experience in CJH's system. Let's get behind this team and support the players. We are a coin flip, at best, for most of our schedule so I'm hopeful that the team can continue to improve and build confidence as the season goes. Get to a bowl; that is the goal.

Exactly. This is a new coaching staff. Maybe, just maybe, Lord I hope so!, they know how to put the right players in the right position and to develop them. BVS gives us a tendency to be negative and give up based on our past experiences and coaching staffs.

 

[CDB]

Thanks for pointing that out, it's been tickling the back of my brain, too.

BGSU were a decent-looking team Thursday night. Sure, we beat them by 30+ points, and sure, they're smaller and slower than us. But so are most teams in their home conference (the MAC). They might actually have a decent season this year.

Their next opponent, South Alabama, was 4-7 last year, and is in the Sun Belt (weakest of all the G5). Murray State is Div I-aa. Kent State, Northern Illinois, Ohio, Eastern Michigan, Miami (OH), and Akron are all peers, and none lit it up last season, either.

Last year was a tremendously odd year, the Covid year. So really can't tell a lot from that.

All we know with some confidence is that three of BGSU's 2021 opponents, Minnesota, Buffalo, and Toledo, look to be major challenges.

This team could reasonably end up doing as well as 8-4 this season.

They're certainly not the 128th best team in FBS. They may end up being one of the better G5 programs this year. Will be interesting to see.

I agree with you. A health QB has made a big difference.

I hope we just didn’t make them look like they’ve improved…

 

[Mccage]

Message boards have zero impact on recruiting. Losing and constant coach turnover on the other hand.....

We got a dark cloud over us for sure ..but sometimes you have to make your own sunshine.

 

[tennesseeduke]

after only one game. Here’s some statistics for you to consider:

Tee Martin’s first start versus Syracuse in 1998

9/26 for 143 yards

Peyton Manning’s first start versus Washington State

7-14 for 79 yards.

At 1:29:05 in the video below, you can see Manning overthrow a deep pass, which is the same sin you are already giving up on Joe Milton III over.

I say all this not to suggest that Milton is the next Tee Martin or Peyton Manning but instead merely to suggest that the overreaction to a couple of overthrows by some in our fan base is a bit premature.

My only issue with him in game 1 was his running. He seemed almost scared at times to be hit. Flinching and laying back before being hit.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

Not even comparable.

Peyton was a true Freshman. Milton is a Senior (or at least a 4th year player). And the plays aren't similar in any way. Peyton's throw looks like a timing route; he threw it almost immediately; the WR didn't get open like expected in that play. Milton's overthrow to Tillman was one where he had forever to make the throw, saw Tillman get open, and still overthrew by a mile.

There are arguments for Milton, but "Peyton once overthrew a WR as a Freshman" isn't a good one. Besides, it's not merely the overthrow that's bothering people. Slow decision-making and not seeing the field well were bigger issues. Peyton Manning didn't even have that issue as a Freshman.

For the record, Peyton's passer efficiency rating as a Freshman was 145.2, which is very good, particularly at that time. Joe Milton's was 124.6 last season and 113.3 in that game (which is bad).

And here's the real kicker: Hendon Hooker's passer efficiency ratings in 2019 and 2020 were 165.8 and 153.5. Even if Hooker lacks a great deep ball, statistically, he's much much better than Milton. Similar deal with Harrison Bailey; Bailey's rating was 155.5 as a Freshman.

I'm willing to watch the Milton experiment, but my gut is that the coaches are playing the 3rd best QB on the roster, because he has the "highest upside" and they are overconfident they can transform him. As I've said, I hope to be proven 100% wrong, but it's difficult for me to discount everything I saw last season from him at Michigan. Hooker and Bailey were both much better than him last year.

This.
Everything about this is correct.

 

[Redleg68]

It was Tee Martin’s 3rd year when he started against Syracuse. Granted, Milton did have a few starts at Michigan, but maybe he was coached up well there. I think all of the hand wringing is a bit premature.

hopefully you are correct and the kinks get worked out. I am all for looking for the improvement between game one and game two. You cannot dismiss the thought though, that if we had been playing a SEC defense(other than Vanderbilt) there probably would have been two interceptions and seven or eight sacks.

 

[T_man_J]

Here we go again with the label "hater."
Just because someone states an opinion of a player's performance does not mean the player is hated.
That term was overused with our previous starting QB, and it led to a lot of heated discussions.
If you can't state your observations (or opinions) without using labels, or name-calling, you should refrain from posting

 

[sjt18]

Here we go again with the label "hater."
Just because someone states an opinion of a player's performance does not mean the player is hated.
That term was overused with our previous starting QB, and it led to a lot of heated discussions.
If you can't state your observations (or opinions) without using labels, or name-calling, you should refrain from posting

Good post. Playing poorly or even being as bad as JG was doesn't make a person "evil". Criticism goes with the job they're doing. No need to make it so personal toward them.

Some people though are egocentric. The world rotates around them... so a player that doesn't perform well isn't simply a player who didn't perform well. That player becomes a personal offense. They call them names because only a bad person wouldn't perform as well as desired.

If you lead or manage people you have to learn to separate the performance from the person in order to fairly, rightly deal with both the person and performance.

 

[Vol Main]

It’s not about statistics. It’s about watching him and seeing very clearly that he can’t see the field. I want nothing more than for him to light it up but after what I saw, which fits what Michigan fans complained about, I have no faith that all of the sudden he’s going to have a feel for the position. I hope like hell that he proves me wrong but I don’t see it.

However unlikely, it appeared that some passing plays had not been learned and practiced until the QB and WRs knew exactly what to do and expect. Coach mentioned WRs not running the right routes. Imagine being a QB who is supposed to throw into an open space on the field, but is uncertain if the WR will make his break on time to cover that space. The good news is that is a fixable problem. Bad news is that it still existed in game one. Of course there are other issues, but this one problem is killer and must be sorted out.

 

[Matt2496]

It’s dumb to lump and label people who have genuine concerns as “haters”.

With that said, I do think it’s too early to tell how good Milton actually is. We’ll know a lot more this weekend against a decent Power 5 team.

 

[Volador]

Football is still a game of athletes. Chizik, Malzhan. Sometimes sh1t coaches win games because of athletes. Butch rings the bell pretty good. Heupel has been good about developing and I believe he is a great offensive coach. Time will tell if he can win in the SEC. No reason to believe he can't as of yet.

Ummm, what decade you referring to...??????????

 

[BigALWiLson]

Ummm, what decade you referring to...??????????

Any... If you don't have good athletes you dont win very much. And even when you have them, sometimes getting them to play together and for 1 purpose is a challenge

 

[gemlek]

Guarantano,Jarrett 8/13 FOR 56 YRDS 1 SACK
ILL TAKE MILTON

You miss the point….. this is not Milton vs JG. It’s Milton vs Hooker or B Harrison. Watching UCF the past few years, their offense was predicated on a passing type QB that made quick decisions and short throws. After a single game against a much lesser opponent, it is apparent that Milton’s skill set is not optimal for this offense. I’m sure Hooker and BH would provide other strengths and weaknesses in this system. Regardless, this offense sinks or swims based on the QB play…..and the opponents are going to get much better soon.

 

[VolunteerNut]

after only one game. Here’s some statistics for you to consider:

Tee Martin’s first start versus Syracuse in 1998

9/26 for 143 yards

Peyton Manning’s first start versus Washington State

7-14 for 79 yards.

At 1:29:05 in the video below, you can see Manning overthrow a deep pass, which is the same sin you are already giving up on Joe Milton III over.

I say all this not to suggest that Milton is the next Tee Martin or Peyton Manning but instead merely to suggest that the overreaction to a couple of overthrows by some in our fan base is a bit premature.

One thing Milton doesn't have is finesse. We've seen it. You don't go 1-12 in the second half if you do. His overthrows weren't out of arms reach but 4-5 yards in front of the receiver. Peyton, Casey, and Eric all had finesse. This kid doesn't. Spin it anyway you want but it all boils down to I'm not sold on this kid nor will I be until he shows us something to be sold on.

 

[docterjaws]

Here's the simple math for the Joe Milton haters:

(a) Josh Heupel probably knows QBs, and how to pick the best of the options available, only like 10,000 times better than you (or me).
(b) Since he does, his pick is undoubtedly our beloved Vols' best chance at success.
(c) That doesn't imply Joe Milton is flawless. It doesn't imply he is Peytonesque. It only says he's our best shot.
(d) He's a college player wearing orange and white. We should support all players who wear orange and white. Even if we feel the need to criticize elements of their game, we still ought to be supporting them as OUR lads.
(e) Because we're all Vols fans. Right? Right? (I know you trolls are being really quiet about that one, shame on you).
(f) So we all want to win, Josh Heupel and all our players included, and Joe Milton gives us the best shot at that, based on the expert judgment of a national-title winning QB and now head coach.
(g) So no matter what happens next, we can only go into it hoping for the best, and supporting our lads.

It is no more complicated than that.

Do you have the right to bitch and moan and whine? Sure. You have the right. You look really stupid and childish doing it, given all the above, but you have the right.

Are you gonna get credit for having "called it" if we lose? No. Everyone is still gonna think you're a miserable sack of goat excrement, just for being negative about our lads.

So the logical approach, the most viable approach, is to support our coaching staff, support our lads (all of them), and hope for the best.

Try that.

Go Vols!

thank you thank you thank u for a voice of reasson

 

[butchna]

Milton has been playing for years in college. Even with electroshock therapy his bad habits are not going to change.

Still, I hope he leads us to a victory.

Go VOLS!!!

“Playing”? Threw 4 total passes in 2018 and 7 in 2019. He’s PLAYED part of ONE full season.

 

[butchna]

The teams that Peyton and Tee played on had NFL players at every position. How many NFL players are on this team?

More than we presently think.

 

[VolunteerNut]

Here's the simple math for the Joe Milton haters:

(a) Josh Heupel probably knows QBs, and how to pick the best of the options available, only like 10,000 times better than you (or me).
(b) Since he does, his pick is undoubtedly our beloved Vols' best chance at success.
(c) That doesn't imply Joe Milton is flawless. It doesn't imply he is Peytonesque. It only says he's our best shot.
(d) He's a college player wearing orange and white. We should support all players who wear orange and white. Even if we feel the need to criticize elements of their game, we still ought to be supporting them as OUR lads.
(e) Because we're all Vols fans. Right? Right? (I know you trolls are being really quiet about that one, shame on you).
(f) So we all want to win, Josh Heupel and all our players included, and Joe Milton gives us the best shot at that, based on the expert judgment of a national-title winning QB and now head coach.
(g) So no matter what happens next, we can only go into it hoping for the best, and supporting our lads.

It is no more complicated than that.

Do you have the right to bitch and moan and whine? Sure. You have the right. You look really stupid and childish doing it, given all the above, but you have the right.

Are you gonna get credit for having "called it" if we lose? No. Everyone is still gonna think you're a miserable sack of goat excrement, just for being negative about our lads.

So the logical approach, the most viable approach, is to support our coaching staff, support our lads (all of them), and hope for the best.

Try that.

Go Vols!

JP, I get what you're saying and I understand and maybe I'm missing something but CJH isn't the end all be all of quarterback guru's. I hate to say this but it seems you are sold on the kid and I'm not. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of the season but as mentioned I've played against some very good quarterbacks in college and when I watch a game I think as a DB and Milton just doesn't have it. Let me ask you this JP. If he was all world and the best thing since sliced bread why did he transfer? Because he wasn't going to play same for Hooker at VT, so we take a kid CJH recruited at UCF and give him the starting nod at UT? I don't think there ever was a QB competition for the job. Just like there was only one coach White wanted to coach at UT.

I enjoy your posts and your one of the best posters on this board but we differ on this issue. Competent and good QB's don't transfer unless they aren't played and there was a reason he wasn't played. We saw on Thursday night and will see so again Saturday at noon and I hope I'm wrong but my faith level of this kid leading us here on out is nill as of now. No disrespect because I value your opinion but we differ here. As coach Fulmer said watch the tape..... the proof is in the pudding sir. I don't hate the Kid at all just think he's not our best option.