See, there you go, discount a counter argument, we should all strive to be like you, only see one side of the equation only YOUR side.
I saw your side. You either have somehow convinced yourself in spite of the last 5 years that Jones is on the verge of becoming a much better coach than he's ever been by overcoming some fatal flaws.... or you simply do not care if UT competes for and wins championships.
The only thing going wrong here is that you believe in a singled minded process of we speak louder than you, so, we are right and you are wrong. I have every right to have my opinion, and you don't have a right to tell me I don't. I do not see this situation like you........period.
You have every right to your opinion. But if you are going to spew stuff like the post I responded to then don't be surprised when someone opposes you.
You have a right to your opinion. You do not have a right to a "safe space" where no one can say you are wrong.
I believe in the ideology of America.....whether you do or not,
Do you? If so then why do you have such a problem with people who freely express themselves with their feet and billfold? There's not many things a whole lot more American than that.
I have a God given right to disagree with anyone I want.........because, I can.
:lolabove: But apparently no one has a right to disagree with your disagreement, right?
This whole thing of we vs them in the UT Fan base, is so wrong it's hard to describe to anyone reasonable person.
True. So come on out of the darkness and into the light.
Jones isn't a bad man. He has flaws but most of us do. He cares deeply and gave everything he had. He should be honored for that and personally I think some don't show that honor. But he has limits as a football coach. Everyone has limits. You and me included. Unfortunately, Jones' limits are well below the level he needs to be to compete for championships at UT. Five years have proven that.
So why don't you unite with the rest of us in the expectation that UT will have a HC that is as strong or stronger in the things Jones does well... who can also put a great product on the field?
Not dodging any responsibility for my participation is the madness, but dude..........those of you that want Butch gone are yelling so loud the message is lost in your objections to anyone that disagree......you just sound like a ragging lunatic.
I'm not above correction. Which of my posts do that... and does your post that I originally responded to not do EXACTLY what you are accusing others of?
Not saying Butch has not made mistakes........but every coach before him has too.
This is not an honest argument. You go from "everyone makes mistakes" directly to the notion that because everyone does Jones' mistakes and shortcomings should be overlooked. What you suggest is the equivalent of saying that no one is a perfect student therefore we should pass a kid with a 60% average. There's a difference between the B student who makes mistakes and the F student that makes mistakes... there's a difference between a SEC caliber coach... and Butch Jones.
He's had 5 years to produce. Most top tier programs expect to see more than Jones has shown within 3.
CPF squandered more opportunities with a better roster than Kiffen, Dooley, and Jones......and that is a fact.
I don't disagree... and that has no merit as an excuse to lower the bar for Jones. Also, CPF happened to have some pretty outstanding years too. That's something the other 3 haven't done. Fulmer bought himself some capital that rightly created a little more forgiveness. Jones hasn't done that... not even remotely close.
