TN Senate passes bill that allows handgun owners to openly carry (merged)

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Gramps said:
No it is stupid to think for one second that a mandatory gun safety class class could become a reality in 2014 America. Nothing at all liberal about that, that is reality.
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I asked you for a rational aurgument against, not just oh well it would be too hard.
 
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Gramps said:
What is wrong with making gun safety an elected course ?
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What is wrong about making it a mandatory course?

I'm not talking about an in depth shooting course here for crying out loud. We are talking basic safety principles that anyone who is ever around a firearm should be aware of. And in case I'm not being clear, that's EVERYONE in the United States.

Instead of teaching basic safety principles and teaching respect for a dangerous object (in the wrong hands) we instead teach our children how "BAD! BAD! BAD!" they are. And kids will get curious and instead of having the proper education in firearms safety, they won't know what to do.

So please present me a valid argument other than the canned liberal response of "they're BAD and EVIL" and ignoring the problem making it go away.
 
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hog88 said:
They will at some point be able too. When drivers ed is tought they cannot legally drive a car.
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but drivers ed is not taught in middle school and they must be of age to obtain a permit
 
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utvolpj said:
but drivers ed is not taught in middle school and they must be of age to obtain a permit
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In HS they can't legally:

Vote but have to take civics
Drink but (at least mine) had an alcohol and drug prevention class.
Have sex but they have sex ed.

School is about preparing kids for the future and what they may face not about the right now.
 
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it's illegal for HS kids to have sex? Things sure have changed

also I doubt the alcohol/drug class tells them how best to ingest those materials

and civics? Come on
 
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utvolpj said:
it's illegal for HS kids to have sex? Things sure have changed

also I doubt the alcohol/drug class tells them how best to ingest those materials

and civics? Come on
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Ok the sex thing was a reach but not teaching basic gun safety because they can't legally own a gun is not a rational aurgument against.

And for the record it is not illegal for a minor to own a long gun in many states including TN.
 
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hndog609 said:
This really wouldn't bother me. Hell, anyone wanting to carry should WANT to know what they're doing. Something along the lines of the Hunter Safety Course but for SD carry.
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Agree. I took Basic Pistol before I ever used my Pistol. Have taken Defensive Pistol before I started using a pistol for HD.

While I have my CC permit I won't carry with any regularity until I take a CC class. It's too big a responsibility to wing it.
 
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hog88 said:
Ok the sex thing was a reach but not teaching basic gun safety because they can't legally own a gun is not a rational aurgument against.

And for the record it is not illegal for a minor to own a long gun in many states including TN.
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it actually is. You're teaching something that cannot be practiced for years and is likely to be forgotten

Can a minor use that gun with no limitations under the law?
 
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utvolpj said:
it actually is. You're teaching something that cannot be practiced for years and is likely to be forgotten

Can a minor use that gun with no limitations under the law?
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There is no minimum age to possess rifles and shotguns in Tennessee.
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Federal law in this area distinguishes between long guns (rifles and shotguns) and handguns, and between gun possession and gun sales. Federal law also distinguishes between licensed and unlicensed gun sellers.

Minimum Age for Gun Sales and Transfers:

Under federal law - Handguns Long Guns (Rifles and Shotguns)
Licensed firearms dealers Dealers may not sell or deliver a handgun or ammunition for a handgun to any person the dealer has reasonable cause to believe is under age 21.8 Dealers may not sell or deliver a long gun, or ammunition for a long gun, to any person the dealer has reasonable cause to believe is under age 18.9
Unlicensed persons Unlicensed persons may not sell, deliver or otherwise transfer a handgun or handgun ammunition to any person the transferor has reasonable cause to believe is under age 18, with certain exceptions*.10 Unlicensed persons may sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a long gun or long gun ammunition to a person of any age.
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The actual website:

Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Now that is put to bed what's the next argument?
 
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Okay so this is my thought. If we can carry a gun around on our hips; why is it that I can't smoke pot in my home? I think this bill is all about freedom. Which is totally fine with me. So when is it that we are all going to get our share of freedom? Sorry to be off topic but I like the bill. Just wish we could all have OUR freedom.
Thinking about calling my rep and asking him to add that amendment!
 
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utvolpj said:
it actually is. You're teaching something that cannot be practiced for years and is likely to be forgotten

Can a minor use that gun with no limitations under the law?
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Actually that's not all true

My kids hunt as well as many others hunt, so basic firearms safety would be a plus. Hunter Safety only covers a small amount compared to a true firearms class

Also, my kids as many other kids are at the age that mom and dad leave them at home by themselves. My kids have been taught a plan in case of a burglar or home invasion. They know to grab one of my handguns and hunker down in our bedroom closet. If the person attempts to enter, they are to sling lead. Other kids have parents that have handguns and other guns and how to deal with such a scenario would be beneficial to those kids

Even though they can't own a gun, they can still use it and use it well if taught the proper techniques.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Okay so this is my thought. If we can carry a gun around on our hips; why is it that I can't smoke pot in my home? I think this bill is all about freedom. Which is totally fine with me. So when is it that we are all going to get our share of freedom? Sorry to be off topic but I like the bill. Just wish we could all have OUR freedom.
Thinking about calling my rep and asking him to add that amendment!
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Not sure carrying a gun alters ones perspective on reality
 
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CountVolcula said:
Actually that's not all true

My kids hunt as well as many others hunt, so basic firearms safety would be a plus. Hunter Safety only covers a small amount compared to a true firearms class

Also, my kids as many other kids are at the age that mom and dad leave them at home by themselves. My kids have been taught a plan in case of a burglar or home invasion. They know to grab one of my handguns and hunker down in our bedroom closet. If the person attempts to enter, they are to sling lead. Other kids have parents that have handguns and other guns and how to deal with such a scenario would be beneficial to those kids

Even though they can't own a gun, they can still use it and use it well if taught the proper techniques.
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then if you're taking them hunting it should be your responsibility to teach them since you will be accompanying them into the field

this is not a topic for govt schools to be teaching. Parents with guns have an obligation to teach their kids how to handle them. It's really that simple
 
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hog88 said:
The actual website:

Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Now that is put to bed what's the next argument?
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oh so this was a class solely limited to long guns?

if you want to have guns around your kids teach them how to respect them. That is the job of a parent and not the schools to teach your kid

#VFL__ said:
Okay so this is my thought. If we can carry a gun around on our hips; why is it that I can't smoke pot in my home? I think this bill is all about freedom. Which is totally fine with me. So when is it that we are all going to get our share of freedom? Sorry to be off topic but I like the bill. Just wish we could all have OUR freedom.
Thinking about calling my rep and asking him to add that amendment!
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because God likes guns but hates pot. Bible belt son
 
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utvolpj said:
why teach it in schools if the students can't legally own a gun? They don't teach driver's ed in elem school
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At 12 years old you can take a Hunter's Safety Education Course and legally hunt.

Would Hunter's Safety or experience with firearms in the military qualify in y'all's opinion of gun saftey course?
 
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SergeantVol said:
At 12 years old you can take a Hunter's Safety Education Course and legally hunt.

Would Hunter's Safety or experience with firearms in the military qualify in y'all's opinion of gun saftey course?
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thanks for the info but I'm pretty sure it's 10yo (unless they amended since I took it)

I also don't remember much in-depth firearms training but it has been a while
 
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SergeantVol said:
At 12 years old you can take a Hunter's Safety Education Course and legally hunt.

Would Hunter's Safety or experience with firearms in the military qualify in y'all's opinion of gun saftey course?
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Hunters safety might be okay. Firearms in the military is a pretty wide brush. There are idiots in the USAF that can claim "experience" that I wouldn't personally trust with a slingshot.

Technical proficiency would be the ultimate goal. A rangemaster, firearms instructor or the like would be ideal.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, so it's stupid to teach basic safety?

And very liberal of you to start going worst case about gang bangers and hoodlums when you darn well know that's the extreme minority you doddering fool. Why don't you and LG get together and bring up the worst possible situations?
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Grand, you know liberals are all about control. They will use worst case scenarios everytime to justify their cause for controlling the populace. Inadequacy issues IMO.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Hunters safety might be okay. Firearms in the military is a pretty wide brush. There are idiots in the USAF that can claim "experience" that I wouldn't personally trust with a slingshot.

Technical proficiency would be the ultimate goal. A rangemaster, firearms instructor or the like would be ideal.
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Big difference between firearms training in the Army and the Air Force...
 
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