TKJr

[Dan Federman]

I am 100% CERTAIN that Colorado State is extremely happy that CBJ took the UT job..........

Better for Jones to kill his career here than destroy their up and coming program! :salute:

I'm certainly frustrated like most Vol fans but to say he's killed his career here makes no sense. Everything about our program is better than it was when he took over. Again, I'm not happy by any means about some of his decisions but the truth is, our program is much, much better than it was 5 years ago.

 

[sjt18]

Fortunately none of this ever happens at any other schools. :shades:

The issue is the apparent handling of the issues and not whether they happen or not.

 

[sjt18]

No doubt it happens everywhere.

My expectation of the HC at Tennessee is to handle it quickly and decisively. Especially in their 5th year at Tennessee and over 10 years as a HC.

See the damn problem, handle it, make changes or adjustments so it doesn’t happen again and then win games.

But no, it’s the scheme.

Correct. And DON'T LIE. If you an SEC coach you live in a fish bowl. There is the local media... then there's the rival media... then the SEC now has its own media and network... and the national media loves nothing more than to report negative drama in the SEC.

You CANNOT LIE. Most aren't dumb enough to buy it... and when it sounds suspicious you just encourage people to prove you're lying.

All Jones has to say is "We aren't going to disclose the details of such and such. We ask that you respect the privacy of the student athletes regarding things they would rather not deal with publicly." A statement as simple as that makes any reporter that continues to go after the story look like a jerk. And while that's not much of a concern for the political media who are partisans to the person these days... no sports journalist wants to be seen as the enemy of players.

He just didn't have to create some of these situations.

 

[bignewt]

this thread hasn't been moved to crappy CBS sitcoms yet?

 

[tbones0711]

They are fine, way better shape than us. Jimbo will win 9 games with a back up qb and have them ranked in the top 10 next August. The difference is Jimbo Fisher is on FSU sidelines and we have Botch Jones

And UF has McElwain. You can't hide 9-11 players getting ready to perhaps face felony charges. You do the best you can with what's left.....no excuses. Florida appears to at least be a good example of moving on and not allowing a bad situation to become a major distraction. I'm not a gator fan, just thought they,"as a team", are setting a good example of dealing with controversy.

 

[KB5252]

If he is out for the year he might be having a more normal college life with some fun.

Very odd for a team leader to be away from the team on game day no?

 

[tbones0711]

Perhaps his complete, total absence from the team in practice and games is speaking for him??

How did you come up with that info? If by chance you are depending upon this board you could be wrong mainly because I've heard something different as he is attending meetings and in the weight room around team mates almost daily. In addition I think he is gonna be on the side line simply to help smother this drama.

PS: We are talking about a player who appears to be a likely NFL draft pick. How he choses to go about his day is his business. Perhaps he's discouraged about being injured, it's real hot out like we're having a long summer, he's concentrating on his classwork trying to get ahead,etc.....many things could be going on but quitting UT is very unlikely. You'd do well to think through a matter before making such a post.

 

[sjt18]

Agree with everything you said. Except, I don't think the INT against IU was a bad read but just a poor throw. There was separation and a good throw would have been a TD.

QD is right where he should be with 4 games under his belt. I think he will continue to improve and end up being a great QB for us.

Sorry for treating you unfairly earlier. I need to be careful not to group people too quickly. Some folks here simply have an agenda to trash Dormady. Most predicted that JG would be the guy and are now trying to shield their ego and deny they were actually wrong. I can and do support both guys.

You could be right on the ISU INT. I was going off what Dormady said. He said that he didn't see a DB drop off. If he split the field pre-snap knowing the play was going to flood the right side then he should have been able to account for everyone before he came off of Wolf to throw to the corner.

If you like this stuff like I do, watch again and stop the video at 6:04 in the 3rd qtr and count defensive heads. Four are rushing with 7 in coverage. The play should have worked. QD's count pre-snap should have shown him those 4 defenders in the center or left of the formation that was snapping from the left hash. None of those guys should have been expected to get there.

There are 6 in to block including a RB which becomes important later. MC is alone on the short side of the field and ISU is obviously concerned about him since 3 of the 7 dropping into coverage are from the center to the left. So 8 Vols are accounted for with 3 flooding the long side of the field against 3 defenders. At that point... it should be nothing more than a head count. At 6:02 you can see MC bracketed but the RB now released against a LB but QD has already decided to throw to the corner after looking off short. At 6:01, you can see the 3 missing defenders. The ball has been thrown but it appears that Wolf was covered short and Johnson had been covered on a hook or similar route.

There was really no reason for QD not to expect that DB to be there. He only had to count 3 helmets but somehow missed him.

You are right that a throw to the back line could have been completed... but the best choice would have been to check down to the RB who had gotten a step and probably would have waltzed into the end zone. It would have been the easiest and best throw available.


Sorry if you don't like this level of detail like I do.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

this thread hasn't been moved to crappy CBS sitcoms yet?

It's going to cable so we can cuss.

 

[armchair]

Take your leftist political crap and stick it up your azz! This is a football forum. Jeez. Leftist always want everyone to know their opinions.

from Chattanooga. Get lost.

 

[tbones0711]

What in the wild wild world of sports is going on here?

SSDD......attempting to make something outta nothing as has been occurring way too often on VN this year.

 

[tbones0711]

You must know everything because everyone that says anything negative your the first one there to say it isn't so. And if you don't really know shut the hell up . Your opinion is no better than anyone elses.

In truth that's what it all boils down to....every poster attempting to emphasize his/her opinion and no factual statements to back it. Legally called hearsay. My opinion is that there's not anything going on behind the scenes at UT that isn't going on at most other schools that have respected athletic programs.

 

[SmokinBob]

Sorry for treating you unfairly earlier. I need to be careful not to group people too quickly. Some folks here simply have an agenda to trash Dormady. Most predicted that JG would be the guy and are now trying to shield their ego and deny they were actually wrong. I can and do support both guys.

You could be right on the ISU INT. I was going off what Dormady said. He said that he didn't see a DB drop off. If he split the field pre-snap knowing the play was going to flood the right side then he should have been able to account for everyone before he came off of Wolf to throw to the corner.

If you like this stuff like I do, watch again and stop the video at 6:04 in the 3rd qtr and count defensive heads. Four are rushing with 7 in coverage. The play should have worked. QD's count pre-snap should have shown him those 4 defenders in the center or left of the formation that was snapping from the left hash. None of those guys should have been expected to get there.

There are 6 in to block including a RB which becomes important later. MC is alone on the short side of the field and ISU is obviously concerned about him since 3 of the 7 dropping into coverage are from the center to the left. So 8 Vols are accounted for with 3 flooding the long side of the field against 3 defenders. At that point... it should be nothing more than a head count. At 6:02 you can see MC bracketed but the RB now released against a LB but QD has already decided to throw to the corner after looking off short. At 6:01, you can see the 3 missing defenders. The ball has been thrown but it appears that Wolf was covered short and Johnson had been covered on a hook or similar route.

There was really no reason for QD not to expect that DB to be there. He only had to count 3 helmets but somehow missed him.

You are right that a throw to the back line could have been completed... but the best choice would have been to check down to the RB who had gotten a step and probably would have waltzed into the end zone. It would have been the easiest and best throw available.


Sorry if you don't like this level of detail like I do.

This is what I come to VolNation to read. Thank you sjt

 

[sjt18]

In truth that's what it all boils down to....every poster attempting to emphasize his/her opinion and no factual statements to back it. Legally called hearsay. My opinion is that there's not anything going on behind the scenes at UT that isn't going on at most other schools that have respected athletic programs.

So basically you are saying that you do not know anything... because in your opinion no one knows anything... however nothing is going on because you assume that it isn't... correct?

FTR, there are people who know. Most don't talk. A few do.

 

[jps2194]

Sorry for treating you unfairly earlier. I need to be careful not to group people too quickly. Some folks here simply have an agenda to trash Dormady.

No problem, it's all good. I don't hold any grudges...

Most predicted that JG would be the guy and are now trying to shield their ego and deny they were actually wrong. I can and do support both guys.

You could be right on the ISU INT. I was going off what Dormady said. He said that he didn't see a DB drop off. If he split the field pre-snap knowing the play was going to flood the right side then he should have been able to account for everyone before he came off of Wolf to throw to the corner.

If you like this stuff like I do, watch again and stop the video at 6:04 in the 3rd qtr and count defensive heads. Four are rushing with 7 in coverage. The play should have worked. QD's count pre-snap should have shown him those 4 defenders in the center or left of the formation that was snapping from the left hash. None of those guys should have been expected to get there.

There are 6 in to block including a RB which becomes important later. MC is alone on the short side of the field and ISU is obviously concerned about him since 3 of the 7 dropping into coverage are from the center to the left. So 8 Vols are accounted for with 3 flooding the long side of the field against 3 defenders. At that point... it should be nothing more than a head count. At 6:02 you can see MC bracketed but the RB now released against a LB but QD has already decided to throw to the corner after looking off short. At 6:01, you can see the 3 missing defenders. The ball has been thrown but it appears that Wolf was covered short and Johnson had been covered on a hook or similar route.

There was really no reason for QD not to expect that DB to be there. He only had to count 3 helmets but somehow missed him.

You are right that a throw to the back line could have been completed... but the best choice would have been to check down to the RB who had gotten a step and probably would have waltzed into the end zone. It would have been the easiest and best throw available.


Sorry if you don't like this level of detail like I do.

Admittedly I haven't gone back and watched the play again, but I remember thinking it was a risky throw but could have been completed to the back corner. A check down would have been the right call.

 

[SmokinBob]

So basically you are saying that you do not know anything... because in your opinion no one knows anything... however nothing is going on because you assume that it isn't... correct?

FTR, there are people who know. Most don't talk. A few do.

Not this

 

[sjt18]

Not this

People on both sides make a lot of assumptions. I don't know what's going on. I doubt any of the details being discussed are dead on accurate.

But there is some smoke and that's not surprising after a team loses a game like UF, hears about it all week, then lays an egg against a horrible team.

There are legit insiders around. Don't know about de1conley for sure though some have said he's often accurate. LWSVOL has a lot of links into the AD. I believe he has suggested some of the turmoil is real.

 

[tbones0711]

Rumblings of this stuff had been around the program for 4 years. The head coach does a good job of controlling the narrative coming out of the program, but of you know and talk to people (parents, relatives, players, low level AD people etc.)the stories of player discontent have been a regular component if this program under the current leadership. It's been talked about before, and per Volnation standard, the players have been labeled malcontent drama queens and the cause of it all.

People bring it, and nobody wants to hear it. That's okay...kill the messengers. Obviously that's best for the players and program.

It goes on everywhere. A lot of posters on VN simply exaggerate it because they have an ultimate agenda of seeing the HC getting fired. These matters will be dealt with by those who oversee such matters. Meanwhile bathe in your self manifested glory that your opinion really matters to the overseers who are responsible for the direction the program takes and I guarantee you they have the student athlete's interest at heart.

 

[tbones0711]

So basically you are saying that you do not know anything... because in your opinion no one knows anything... however nothing is going on because you assume that it isn't... correct?

FTR, there are people who know. Most don't talk. A few do.

No...I don't know anything about what OP is saying. I saw TKjr's tweet and he's somewhat spiritual. There was nothing nor have I seen anything that lends itself to the fact that he has left the team. TKjr underwent surgery so indeed there was a need. Also he is slower than our other safeties so the reality is he may have lost a starting position. I don't assume a damn thing so back off. If he quit why isn't it public and why isn't there anything in writing in this day and age of info available to verify the truth. If he get's back to 100% he's good enough to play, always around the ball and reads the defense well. I could assumehe quit and his dad didn't feel it was proper and talked it over.

Same situation with J.Jones before season even started. I'm with the crowd that wants to see print or film before I draw a conclusion. Until that happens it's only a possibility. So did J.Jones quit? Why then is he playing every week? As for J.Jennings, him quitting makes absolutely no sense and you know it. I read your posts. The truth is many on here don't like CBJ and thirst for the chance to jump and they overdo it. These things go on everywhere. UT has to suit up Sat. and take on a very athletic Ga. team and I can't help who the coach is. I don't think there is one player who is so discontented about playing for UT that he won't give his all Sat. Other players would sniff that out and do something about it.

 

['Boro-vol]

Meanwhile bathe in your self manifested glory that your opinion really matters to the overseers who are responsible for the direction the program takes and I guarantee you they have the student athlete's interest at heart.

Where have I, or anyone else for that matter, suggested that our our opinions or any information we come across and bring to the board ultimately has any effect on the decisions of the administration? Quite the opposite, we are all frustrated at the inaction we see on the Hill over some of this stuff. We know full well that we are ultimately powerless.

On the other hand, we have self-important individuals like yourself who excoriate the information that is brought, along with the fans that bring it....all because you don't like the information, or it doesn't fit with your pollyanna-all-is-well viewpoint.

 

[tbones0711]

Where have I, or anyone else for that matter, suggested that our our opinions or any information we come across and bring to the board ultimately has any effect on the decisions of the administration? Quite the opposite, we are all frustrated at the inaction we see on the Hill over some of this stuff. We know full well that we are ultimately powerless.

On the other hand, we have self-important individuals like yourself who excoriate the information that is brought, along with the fans that bring it....all because you don't like the information, or it doesn't fit with your pollyanna-all-is-well viewpoint.

I don't have an agenda other than see UT come together as a team and play good ball. Did you or did you not see the last minute of our HC's Monday's press conference. It was about negativity and drama and indeed he,(CBJ), did over-react but that aside, I'm seeing it right here on VN.

Warrior put the shiner on Shy, J.Jones is quitting, now J.Jennings and TKjr have both quit. CBJ has lost the locker room. What's next ? Yeah, I have a choice and I'm gonna utilize it.

 

[Volinnooga]

I have no idea what is going on, but does anyone wonder why things have gone south for TKJr (assuming de1 is correct) at a time when his playing time had been significantly curtailed? Could he be mad because his playing time has been cut?

 

[Volinnooga]

I would almost welcome a loss this Saturday if it guaranteed Butch Jones is done here. I'm more concerned with the long term health of the program than any one game.

Butch Jones is obviously a problem that must be removed right now. I hope the administration makes the right choice and fires him this weekend.

That's pitiful. But not unexpected from one who bailed on last year's team early when things didn't go perfectly.

 

[beneVOLence]

The source is to be considered.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me boro. I really don't remember getting in a argument with you for you to draw that conclusion.

All I said was I think it is BS because there is no real legitment source to collaborate his claim. He has heard stuff and it sounds like you have heard stuff, so until it is legitimized it is just rumor. I'm sure you will say that "where there is smoke there is fire" and it vary well be correct, but it may be just disgruntled players talk also.

 

[volfan102455]

I'm sure none of you have ever had a bad day at work and told a friend ... I'm quit ... only to return the next day after you mind cleared.

I have a young girl in my household that has been at college 4 weeks and has already quit 4 or 5 times - but yet she gets up the next day and goes back to school.

She also quit the band several times while in high school, but yet was out there on the field performing at half time for every show.

These are college students, I'm sure they get frustrated and need to vent or talk to someone about things.

I personally believe we need to leave them the *** alone and quit reporting or talking about every little episode of drama that may happen.